Abel Wish List

What do you mean by compete? Are you comparing it in a sense overall, or within the matchup? s.lk is very useful. Fast and has good priority. OK, 40 dmg, but as long as it still stuffs c.mk, you’re forcing your opponent to change it up, thus controlling the match. And yes, I know you can’t use f.mk after a blocked c.mk. What I meant was when you’re playing footsies ala walking back and forward, and you walk backwards when he throws c.mk out, you have enough time to use your f.mk and get in.

Standing mk has its uses in certain matches. And his sweep is trash compared to others’ sweeps, but that doesn’t make it useless either.

I’m just saying Abel has the tools, it’s just difficult to use them… but I don’t think in these shoto matchups they’re a problem. Except Akuma. And Chun, but she’s not a shoto. Sagat, Ryu, Ken… the ground game is even IMO.

If Breathless has super armor, damn-near full screen dash, and is unblockable(Grab)…what’s the catch? I know some are saying it’s catch is that it is uncomboable. That’s it though? I bet the full strength of it is weaker than Souless as well. 350 damage? 400 damage tops?

That’s probably part of it. I’m thinking if it’s like akuma’s super demon (as in it’s instant hit if you’re very close, but avoidable if you’re far) it could be very very useful in mixups. Maybe you can catch peopople out of jumps like the demon as well?

At this point it’s all speculation. I’m excited to try it out though.

Because his Soulless already can punish practically full screen fireballs and can be comboed into :wink:

Though as AaronS said, anti-air would be hugely appealing for Abel, the ex-armor would mean he couldn’t be hit out of it like Akuma can be.

your right but i dont agree with you about the ken match up that is just as annoying as chun.not unwinable but his f.mk>cr.mk rapes abel for free not to mention his kara grab

y does there have to be a drawback,regardless i think it will be useful in mixups like abels resets and thats what i was hoping 4

From it’s speed it looks like you’ll be getting a free ultra whenever your opponent attempts to jump out of your mix-ups and resets, which would be nice.

Well, it looks fast. We won’t know till the game comes out, but Abel’s first Ultra also looked pretty fast… until you realize that it has a somewhat long startup. If it’s fast, it would be a viable Ultra II to use in certain matchups and I honestly don’t think it would change his game drastically compared to some of the other new Ultras we’ve seen.

Once again, s.lk > both his step kick and c.mk. You can FA his step kick for free. Actually, you can do a lot to beat his step kick. It’s like Akuma’s s.rh, except not that good. Counter poke with s.lk, s.mp, c.mk, step kick, or just focus it. His kara throw isn’t inescapable, you just need to learn how to tech it. Ground game, still even. The Ken matchup really boils down to who gets knockdown first IMO.

Ya, its true, I know. Still bothers me that I can hit a properly spaced wheel kick and eat srk fadc ultra though.

The new info on Abel says he has more stamina, and Breathless is a grab (not sure yet if it hits high or low). Any thoughts? Cool Abel gets a little more “stuff”…but is more stamina necassary? Oh well…more the merrier.

If it’s a grab, it doesn’t hit high or low…

Wow, Abel with more stamina is pretty darn crazy…not sure that was really necessary…

I wonder why hit ultra II is called Breathless, I guess it’s a play on his name, right?

From: http://www.meristation.com/v3/des_avances.php?pic=360&id=cw4b7b2dbbd16e6&idj=cw4ac1446fe830e&idp=&tipo=art&c=1&pos=1

“From the rest of the roster we have collected several impressions. Abel has more stamina and his new Ultra has Super Armor and is a low grab [again, does this mean that the hitbox for the grab is low or that it’s a hit type ultra?].”

Just so you guys know.

lol at more stamina for abel…

but not gonna complain that’s awesome for us if it’s true

Dumb capcom is dumb…but cool more health for abel right :D!

I highly doubt Abel will actually have more health. Just seems like an erroneous report. Abel has plenty health at 1100.

Uh… is it just me, or is Abel’s close standing roundhouse now blockable low? Or did Juri block it high and then instantly bring her block to low (is it even possible in the engine to switch your block this fast)? [media=youtube]yOBJQS8OYTs#t=1m34s[/media] I doubt it’s been changed, since that’s a useful overhead for Abel and not at all broken, but it just looks funny there.

Nah, it didn’t connect with the overhead hitting part of the kick (when he brings his foot down). Sometimes that happens in regular SF4.

Breathless

I’m pretty sure it’s called breathless because of the massive knee the opponent takes to the gut on the way down.

im guessing its a mistake, i dont see why they would have boosted his health. but who knows, capcom can do some strange things sometimes.

gief lariat fadc ultra…:tdown: