Yea I sometimes use this combo against my brother. :tup:
it woudl be beast if the roll filled your super meter just in time for the super 
i’ve tried ti enough times with the ultra to think that it doesn’t work.
also, i’ve been sitting in training mode for a while and i still can’t get cr.fp, ultra when the opponent is cornered…any tips?
if you try to do super or ultra right when you get enough meter it seems to be a bit strict. just practice. ive done it a few times like i let a blanka ball me gained ultra meter and ultra’ed him.
also to iceage: thats exactly what i was talking about though, i mean the only game change as i stated when i first posted about this was lag is the only thing that changes. the game doesnt change and therefore even if there is lag its possible offline when there isnt lag. i mean if you do a move when there is lag you can do it still when there isnt lag. i understand that its easier to get away with stuff online or things dont come out etc. but im just trying to make a point. he said that he did ex command threw an srk online but then says he doesnt know if it will work offline. if he did it it should work whether it was online or off thats all im trying to say.
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edit after being at the arcade today i tested it on guile and it worked, im actually kinda sure you can do it to e honda and vega too but i need people to confirm.
I got it on everyone. It seemed inconsistent against viper, blanka and fuerte. But everyone else i got it no problem first try. I think on the first three is a weird spacing issue where you need to be a little further than point blank so your roll doesn’t take you to close to them. In those cases I would just use lp or mp since the damage difference is marginal.
Edit: didn’t test the console characters cause Im lazy.
ive never got it on fuerte viper or blanka. but for those ones i just do cr.fp fierce falling sky.
Thats exactly what were trying to say… " Things work online that SHOULD NOT work offline".
see thats the thing that confuses me. what makes it not work offline? lag cant really be the answer (but maybe it is). im not trying to argue im just trying to get a clear answer. the reason i say lag cant be the answer because all it is is input delay other than that its the same game. do you get what im saying? its all just input delay but its still teh same game, moves have the same frames etc.
If that move worked online, then it defo works offline (y wouldnt it?) same game with no lag.
On another note, heres a combo I like using not sure if its being used by every1 else but ere it is: (Its a brill Starting combo, especially against Ken/Ryu etc.)
Roll, st.lp, st.lp, cr.mp, rekka xx, cr.hp, ex falling sky/Souless.
Well anyways thats my starting combo, and it gets thier health down to about 1/2.
I think you guys are using the word “works” in different context. I think what Busta is saying is that anything that can be done physically online and offline should be the same, because input, timing is all the same.
The other guys are saying that due to lag, EX command throw can beat a dragon punch because the dp timing may be off in such a way that it isn’t a reversal. Thus that tactic “works” due to the inability of the opponent to get correct timing, not due to any different properties online or anything like that.
Make sense?
sorry for beeing a utterly noob, just joined shoryuken
What does xx mean on certain combos?
Im not sure if its been answered before
xx means cancel into
I think that’s what is meant by it as well.
The tactic works well online. The move works regardless?
just as lost
Here are the facts as I see it. EX command has armour. Ryu’s DP, and I don’t know about Ken’s but I’m guessing its the same, has armour break properties only on reversal, that is immediately after getting hit, or immediately after you wakeup. Therefore, given the opponent times the DP correctly, Abel’s EX command should ALWAYS LOSE, online or offline.
The only difference in online is due to lag the opponent maybe be too late and miss the reversal window, therefore the DP doesn’t have armour break and abel should EX grab through.
Abel’s EX command grab does NOT have armor. It has hit invulnerability. I’ve EX grabbed too many people following their jump-ins/cross-ups based on that. It has too short of a start-up to take advantage of any sort of armor capabilities.
With that said, if timed correctly, you can ex command grab RYU’s non-ex shoryuken. I don’t know if you have to do it before he starts it up, or during, but it’s possible. I’ve done it in training mode with some help, and I’ve actually done it at the arcade yesterday and last week. I’ve seen the SRK trail on his fist before he left the ground on one, and the one last night was from his srk start-up animation; the same when I tried it in training mode.
What ARE the exact properties on the Command Grab and EX?
If you’re doing a command grab, you can’t be grabbed once it starts up, correct? What about during recovery? The EX version is invulnerable to being hit, and that’s what makes EX Tornado Throw against Gief so good, correct? Because he can’t throw OR hit you out of it? I know all three versions give you the same amount of super, have the same start-up speed and active window. However, the stronger the button the more damage and stun it does along with recovering faster. I’m going to assume jab version has the best range though?
okay i was told from a few players i know personally taht this is possible but too hard and not worth it. you have to catch the player in the vulernable frames of the srk.
all i was trying to state that if it works online it should work offline give me a better reason than lag, all lag is like i said before is input delay other than that its all the same game. he did specify if it was reversal srk or not.
these are his words that still confuse me and i still havent gotten a clear answer.
Ill try it in offline but it probably wont work offline i think it was because it was online.
he did it online, but says he will try it offline but it wont work. what does he mean by that? so far every time i have posted about this my replies say something along the lines because of lag and that doesnt make sense that if it was just lag why cant you do it offline? i have been confirmed that you can do it offline by some players that i personally know.
I said I will try it offline but it probably wont work. What I mean by that is… like iVe said for the thousandth time. Things work online that shouldnt. Ok then dude… why did this problem come up then? I said I did… then what did you say? " Something along the lines of “I dont think you can do that”… Now because someone else says tells you that you can… after I already said you can porbably do it now all of sudden you beleive it?? Backwards logic I see here.
okay when i posted that i really didnt think you can do that but i recently asked around from the local socal players that i play with they told me you can but its very hard. okay give me an example of things work online that shouldnt offline. to me that doesnt make sense and i have asked my friends and they too say this doesnt make sense. the only thing they say is lag but clearly lag does not change the game just input delay. do you get what i am saying? that even if ex command throw an srk worked online it should work offline because if you think about it the game hasnt changed, okay input delay, your move comes out a little later but it still has the same properties and stuff. not backwards logic here i just wasnt sure about this hah. yet now you say that you never said it wouldnt work but i keep getting “things work online that shouldnt work offline” so your still telling me that it doesnt work offline? doesnt make sense. just trying to clear this out. it works online and offline and it isnt worth it cuz in most cases if you tried this you would lose and eat an srk.
Because of lag , inpt delay happens meaning. I can do things in that input delay window that will not work normally offline… there would potentially be no input delay. Meaning that lets say Online I do… EX Wheel kick Something along the lines could potentially happen where I could be grabbed or something while the move is already in the middle of hitting them to the point they should not be able to do anything.
(But this is potentially a instance where lag or something could affect the correct gameplay mechanincs)
No well now I do beleive it will work offline and online for that matter , Considering I was the only person who said it could happen up until now. I still was half way correct from the beginning I thought it only worked in an online cirsumstance due to the lag in the match. But now that I have a verification instance that it does potentially work offline lets me know I potentially was not wrong.
No, im not telling you it doesnt work offline… I myself have never tested it offline or rather not gotten a chance to.
Lag can do mysterious things in world of online gameplay…