elf fuerte’s anus. that’s all you see because it’s always on top of you or pointed in your direction.
Yes 3s is dead. No one plays it. I don’t have online, and no one plays it at the arcade or fight nights anymore…
renegade tx2000, et al:
there are some things that simply don’t cater to the lowest common denominator. too bad for those who don’t see the value in that.
chew on that for a minute.
if you want to play a game because there are lots of people playing it at the same time, then do that.
if you want equal footing with others without having to do any work, then yes, play new games.
but don’t go and shit on 3s for not being new, and for others already being good at it. how is ANY of that 3rd strike’s fault?
i think ppl play 3s because they think it’s awesome, not because they’re getting in on the new hotness that everyone else is. and they hope others also see the good that is 3s, and play the game for that reason. that’s completely different from playing XYZ simply because other people have also started playing it at the same time.
also, about “vets” not helping you with your game: that’s not a problem unique to 3s. are you asking good questions? have you asked enough of these “vets”? almost all the people i know who are good at this game are more than willing to help, because they just love talking about the game and spreading the brain-wrinkling goodness of 3s.
I find, also, that people complaining about vets not helping them with leveling up their 3S game is because they’re used to being force-fed all the info out there on their particular games. Look at how much help has been dished out for SSF4 and UMVC3, for example. Tutorial guides for combos, beginner to advanced, flood YouTube. Before this, you really had to search out info and do it on your own. There weren’t any real execution videos, like Nica K.O. showing his hands when doing a combo, or showing inputs to see what was going on. We figured it out. Hell, pre-WNF, back when it was at SHGL’s house, part of the stream was Valle demonstrating techniques. Not that any of this is bad; no, nothing’s wrong with getting the information out since information spreads at an extremely faster rate than it did in 1998 or 2003, or any time when the rotation was 3S/CVS2/MVC2/etc.
Quite honestly, if asked, I’ll help you out and point out stuff to you that you may not see, or you may not think about, but at the same time, you’re going to have to work for it. If it’s just force fed to you, how do you become a better player? You see it, but you don’t experience it for yourself.
Anyway, 3SOE dead or not, fuck it, just play the game.
Just saying but I still find at least 5+ lobbies when I go on. This is on PSN, by the way. It pales in comparison to the good ol’ GGPO’s super active weekends but it’s too soon to be crying doomsday just yet.
hey guys, what’s going on in this thread?
I really want this game to grow, even if it shitty oe, but by the looks of the people playing it - at least on xbox - I don’t have my hopes set too high. Point blank cr.roundhouses galore. It makes me laugh, but then it makes me want to cry.
How is it not obvious that that shit isn’t safe? Oh yeah, it’s safe on sf4. -_-
Because those players are scrubs and they don’t care.
Supercade and GGPO has some good players, imo.
It’s only not safe if the other guy can do something about it. If you punish them, they learned a valuable lesson and (maybe) won’t do it again next time around. If you didn’t punish them, they had no reason not to do it!
Serious question to you fuckers. What advantage does 3SOE have over emulation?
Right off the bat emulation wins as far as being arcade perfect. The sprites look like they should, the music is as it should be, the super bars are the right size and etcetera.
Gameplay wise: which do you prefer?
Because for me I played 3SOE and it still feels too different. I tried to get used to it but I miss way too much shit, shit I know I should land consistently. Just now I tried 3SOE and did Alex’s bnb (jHP, sMK, EX Flash) and I think I landed it about 7 times out of 10. Sometimes the MK wouldn’t come out. Sometimes I would just get tHP instead of EX even though I’m hitting the 3Punch Macro. I got annoyed by that and the fact that the dummy would constantly get stunned and I’d have to wait a few seconds to try my combo again.
Then I played emulation and everything felt right. I could land this really basic combo easily 10 times out of 10. Emulation felt much more fluid and I’ve played all versions of the game. I honestly think you guys that claim emulation is too slow or too fast must be using some ancient laptops. I get not playing online because it sucks. I get that. But to prefer 3SOE over emulation I don’t get. Is it so difficult to hook up your computer to your tv and plug in your stick to the PC’s usb drive? I just don’t get it. Plus you have the benefit of not supporting Capcom and their bs.
I have a question. Have you ever entered a major or non major tourney cause I’ve never heard of you. Im seriously asking. If so what name did you play under maybe your matches are on youtube. and I can learn a thing or two from you.
THIS. You are the voice of reason in a dark troll thread. I tip my hat to you sir.
While I don’t exactly like Louis (I don’t dislike him, either), I’m confused as to what this is supposed to mean or represent. If I’m understanding him correctly, he’s asking why the arcade rom emulated isn’t better than 3SO in our eyes, when one is obviously arcade perfect and one is obviously not. If that is what he’s asking, why would it matter if he’s entered any tournaments at all? For the past 90 years (until the release of 3SO), haven’t tournaments been using either the arcade cab or PS2?
If I’m correct in believing as I do, your question is an attempt to troll a troll. You’re treading dangerous waters, friend. Dangerous waters indeed.
I’ve never played the 3SOE version, but I’ve played the arcade verison (FB Alpha, GGPO, Supercade) and the Dreamcast version, and I felt a big difference in the speed of both games. Dreamcast is slower, so if you play too much in this console, you will be easily smashed online because your reflex will be lazy and your timming will be terrible. So, if you intent to play online using GGPO or Supercade, I recommend that you train only in arcade.
As for emulation in general, it’s impossible to not have input lag there. Some day when they can figure out how to shrink video buffers and the program can blast video straight to the screen instead of having it sit for 50ms minimum in a buffer, things will be different. If that ever happens, it’ll probably be on Linux using the real time kernel. Windows especially with that compositing nonsense of Vista/7 is just lag city and they don’t seem to even be aware of the issue (or don’t care). Emulation authors and fans have been talking about this for years, and the answer is always the same: get the OS devs to fix it because we can’t.
FBA is about as close to lagless as you can get for an emulator, but if you’re playing on PC you still have to deal with the lag added by the OS, the lag added by the video buffer, extra lag if you want full screen, and audio lag as well. I know I personally can’t get the FBA audio buffer below 3 frames on Windows 7 without hearing sound tearing. I’ve heard some people rely on sound for hit confirms, so I assume that’d be an issue for them as well. 3 frames is just over 50ms which isn’t insignificant.
At least from that one test run on SRK when the game first was out, 3SOE presumably has no input lag. Assuming it’s 4 frames on arcade as well. Obviously you gotta be playing on a CRT or a lagless monitor but you gotta do that in any case.
As for the timing difference, I dunno. I haven’t seen any real tests, I mostly just take people’s word that OE is closer to arcade timing than FBA. I have no way to find out except believing them or buying a cab, so I choose the former. I suspect most people are in the same boat.
EDIT: It might be different on emulators running on console of course. Isn’t there an FBA version available for 360? They might be able to get latency pretty low there. 360s are just small PCs based on how they operate but generally they seem to have less of an issue with lag.
So, windows Vista/7 really mess emulation this much? Wtf?
I’ve never noticed all those bugs on windows XP. The game runs great there. I don’t have any difficulty to adjust timing on 3SOE. OK, it’s somewhat slower, but it’s still fine.
However, you propably know that the latest FBA version officially supports Windows 7 now.
Well, I’ve tested this new FBA v0.2.97.19 on XP. Results? 3rd Strike runs even faster than the old FBA versions which are fully compatible with XP (v0.2.96.73, GGPO’s FBA). I drop combos now.
-Tried with Yun: Jump HK, c.MP, St.LK, lunging punch (LP). Dropped it 3 times in a row. I can’t get the full 4Hit combo, cause lunging punch does not register after LK.
-Ken’s hit confirmable BnB combo:MP, HP>Hadoken>SA3. It’s 6/10 success now. The timing to cancel the hadoken to sa3 seems messed up.
Retried the combos above pressing buttons faster. OK, they work, but the new timing in stricter.
Went back on the older FBA version…no dropped combos. Now back to 3SOE…no dropped combos either.
Aside from the higher emulation speed, the latest FBA release kept input delay to a minimum as always( tested on a HD monitor, 2ms, both window and full screen mode, speed remains the same). Looks like windows 7 users will not experience the same emulation speed as XP.
3SOE is just fine. But play on a CRT.
Yeah I think a few emulator authors have said that Windows Vista/7 is way worse for latency than XP. Sometimes disabling windows compositing seems to help, but not in all cases. I’ve haven’t had that much experience with XP, could feel perfectly fine there for all I know.
Yeah, emulation has different speed vs. 3soe, I noticed this too when I recently was fiddling around with it testing some stuff and I couldn’t nail Urien’s tackle comboes consistently. It’s faster. I used MAME for it, which I hear is even worse compared to FBA.
There is a topic in FBA forums about windows 7 issues with emulation and cps3:
http://neosource.1emu.net/forums/index.php?topic=1260.0
Ppl report unintentional frameskip on windows 7(with the frameskip option disabled, as well). Still, some ppl say its fine.
Did you test with mame on XP or windows 7?
Thanks for the link. The frameskip is a whole 'nother issue apart from the lag, but yeah I was aware of that one too. Looks like the latest version might fix it? Will try that out soon.