Thank you for these tests. I have been telling this for quite a long time:
“Not all emulators lag the same.
The input delay depends on your system build and connection.
Technology is evolving.
The higher quality on the system mechanics, the more stable/solid PC you have, thus optimal function on any application”.
Thank you. This is justice.
Btw, my PC is “S” class tier(OP).
Here’s what I take from it:
You should not use Aero
You need a CRT
GGPO will come with an extra frame of delay even on perfect setups, which will exacerbate adding GGPO delay.
It doesn’t really have anything to do with how good your computer is, more to do with what combination of settings you’re using.
I agree that it’s encouraging that shmupmame looks pretty close to cps3. It means there’s potential for a suitable emulator version of the game if we can address game speed questions and also deal with audio latency. Which we haven’t done any tests for but is for sure one more component of the big picture.
Also worth mentioning: we didn’t use ‘force 60hz’ which I didn’t know was the standard for ggpo players. I’m not sure if that’ll make any difference or not. We can find out later when Isotopez can use his more accurate method and we can run through all the possible configurations and see what impact they have. We can do that after we run the speed tests.
I am aware of the fact that Aero adds input delay on applications running on the background/desktop.
That’s not shocking. It only proves that there’s nothing new under the sun.
No.
How will a new generation video card cooperate with an old technology monitor? Poorly at best…
There is visual and input delay cause the VGA cable cant support the video card’s huge bandwidth.
Do your research if you want.
For example, connect a Geforce GTX 670 on a 5ms LCD HD monitor (any reliable company name) or a CRT monitor through A VGA cable.
The new video card (which is a very good quality product+high gaming force) is optimized for HDMI cables and HD monitors.
You will notice image tearing, ghosting, input/visual delay on anything. Aero Off won’t do anything here.
You downgrade your own product on your own…
Connect your new video card through a HDMI cable on a HD monitor, update drivers, directX, sound card drivers, flash the bios, etc.
You will notice a major difference…
A CRT monitor does the job fine when you have combination
1.Old OS, for example Windows XP. It ultra light, most compatible with old technology products. That makes sense, since it does not support the new CPUs and Direct X 10/11.
2.Old hardware. For example, 512/1GB video cards which are not optimized for HD resolutions. 3 year old video card/CPU/RAM at least.
OK, but do not overlook GGPO is outdated on Windows 7 systems. It’s a modified FBA version which was released on 2009…
Do better justice, please.
A good computer is:
a combination of good/high quality parts, everything is up-to-date technology and software optimizations done by the User (drivers, Direct X, bios, etc)
Depending on the settings you apply, you find the best performance that matches your gaming.
Do you have a camera you could lag test your S tier computer with? That could settle something that keeps happening on these forums every few months.
I think it would be worthwhile if you obtained a high speed camera (they’re not too expensive) and run these same tests on your own setup. I would appreciate anyone who did that actually. Unlike CPS3 and OE which will be fixed, there may be more variability with computer and emulator setups. It would be nice to find out what other people are seeing.
The thread is meant to give us reasonably accurate and reproducible answers on how much input lag and game speed differ from platform to platform. So any claims we make in this thread should be backed up by evidence. Without testing your setup yourself you really can’t have any idea what difference any of those things would make.
Only argue what we can test and prove basically. I hope you and anyone else interested will run similar tests on their own setups.
This is my “S” tier PC:
Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit
Monitor SyncMaster P2270HD (native 1920x1080p resolution)
Intel Core i7-2600K
ASUS Geforce GTX670-DC2T-2GD5, connected through HDMI, Full HD 1920x1080p resolution + PCI Express 3.0 enabled on Bios Settings
Onboard VIA Sound Chipset
16 GB RAM DDR-3 Corsair 1600Mhz (Dual Channel 2x8, XMP profile enabled)
PSU 775w Thermaltake
Motherboard GA-Z77M-D3H with updated latest BIOS version
Latest Drivers, directX, windows 7 updates all installed.
No anti virus running on gaming.
I can play almost any 3D game on High settings on Full HD resolution.
I can record without dropping any frame at all (FRAPS).
I can enjoy Street Fighter III 3rd Strike with any emulator I please. Way better than my PS2(bad port) and PS3 port(good port).
But what about the lag?
I run the emulator at full screen, 1920x1080p, Aero Off and proper settings.
I do not feel any lag at all. Find a similar system and try on your own.
Btw, I am pretty sure that the newest HD monitors perform even better than mine.
You may be right about everything you said but saying it won’t prove anything.
Read Lance3rd answer again…
I will test my pc setup (the same since ggpo came out) next week.
thanks @ESN! looking forward to it.
I think it would be cool if as many people as possible ran similar tests. PC + emulator is the big question mark but it doesn’t hurt to have more results for console either, especially considering our kind of sizable margin for error. maybe @isotopez could write up a quick guide on what you need and how to set it up to run your own version of this test.
I understand if it’s too expensive or too much trouble. just putting it out there that if anyone else wants to run equivalent tests and post their results, we will be glad to have them.
Being right and true, it is proof enough. ESN, you are being biased.
Post all your system specs and emulator settings and do it.
However, do not expect that your results apply 100% on millions builds out there.
If anything can do it right, that is a PC system.
I run my 32mb Radeon 7500 laptop on a Full HD LCD with it’s max resolution via VGA and it doesn’t lag at all, now what bitch?
Pc sux
Consoles are PC wannabes. They just copy their technology/software. That is the truth. They exist and evolve thanks to PC technology.
I personally find consoles a little immature for my age. They are practical, when you want to participate/organize a local tournament. That is all. That is subjective, as well.
Fixed
we’ll get started with the speed tests this weekend.
Oh, and why trust few ppl who dislike PCs and refuse to post their system specs? Ppl who had bashed emulators and their service in the commnity non-stop in the past.
Am I right, IglooBob?
By all means, everyone do your research on delay/speed on your PC build. Just be unbiased and honest on your work.
That’s all I ask.
we’ve been unbiased and pretty open about how we test this stuff throughout. if anyone suspects we’re making stuff up or that we have some kind of bias, all I can really say is they should run the same tests themselves and see what results they get.
we’re open to stuff that could potentially affect the lag and are willing to test it. we still plan on testing in XP after, we still plan on testing GroovyMAME, and if anyone points out anything else, we’ll test if it’s possible. we made it a point to find out what everyone uses as their standard FBA setup to make sure we’re looking at what everyone else is looking at. I think we’ve been pretty fair to every platform. we’re just not going to start testing every possible combination of PC hardware. we don’t have the time or the resources to do that. it also is unlikely to make a difference. considering that ShmupMAME is already very close to real arcade, I kinda doubt our hardware setup is a problem (besides the monitor which as isotopez mentioned is slightly laggy).
I think there’s not much to say besides that. everyone will be happy to look at your results if you want to test your own setup, but I don’t see much point in arguing about it if you don’t do that. all that can ever come to is your assumptions versus someone else’s assumptions.
How much does a s tier pc cost for playing 3rd Strike?
Also mpikkon, how much time and experience do you have with cps3?
If you don’t pay money, you will see no performance/stability nor longevity. My build suits my needs for 5 years at least. See, it’s an investment, not just a game machine.
Enough time and experience to contribute the best 3s Yun Tutorial on the web, my 4 years old work.