I have to disagree, we do have a problem. It’s not a deal breaker, but it’s there. I have no doubt Japanese from one area consider their abilities superior to those from a different area. My observation from subtitled commentary over the years is that the Japanese seem to be more willing to offer positive feedback with criticism, even when watching rivals play or someone gunning for them. I believe Ryan Hart when he says they talk just as much shit if not more than the USA players, except it’s not in public. But when they’re in public, they can actually offer constructive commentary, even if it’s against possible competition.
Youtube is packed with pop offs and salt out the ass from US players. You can be so-so at a game but as long as you’re good at “poppin’ off” or acting out, you’re somebody in this country in the fighting game community. The shit talk to expected results ratio is off the charts for US players, we talk a big game more than we back it up. I watch a group of US players play Japanese 3S players in 3v3 teams in qualifiers: first US player beats the first Japanese player and taunts after the last hit of the final round. Next Japanese player on the team OCVs the entire US team…not one taunt after beating any of the US players. That “silence” from the Japanese player after beating 3 good US players is powerful to me and sobers me up towards the gap between us versus them.
People taunt me after winning, it’s not a big deal and they beat me so have at it. The part that kills me with USA players doing it on the world stage is: you’re in Japan, the undisputed best of the best stomping grounds for 3S. Win one match in 3v3 teams? Taunt. How about taking the first round against a not-so-well known Japanese player? Taunt… why not, I may not be here again. I’m looking way into it but it’s much more telling to me when one Japanese player OCVs the entire US/foreign team and does no taunt in retaliation. It’s saying, “You’re not worth it, you’re just a warm up for leaving qualifiers to play the real comp that’s already here in Japan”. And we never learn, we stay cocky, we call anyone not Japanese “free” or “fraud” here in the USA and it never seems to change. Meanwhile the Japanese continue to strengthen larger and larger groups of players while we cling to our tiny cliques on the east or west coast and talk shit at each other. We get better…but not nearly in the quantity or quality with which Japanese do.
We’ll just have to disagree on this one, hard for me to explain but I see a vast difference in their fighting game culture versus ours that gives them that path to being better at the game.
i dont know what these pop offs are? maybe a sf4 thing. 3rd strike is pretty relaxed and has been since there are only about 20 people in america who even play this game.
anyone who gets offended of taunt is retarded. what is this 2004?
America doesnt reach japan level in skill because of not having arcades and a large community of players to improve. This “bad attitude” you speak of has nothing to do with it.
I just meant US players in general. For the most part the people I play with on a normal basis are relaxed as well. I see the passion there in US players but like you said, without the focus of an arcades to gather it’s a splatter compared to Japan. I’m not saying everyone has to get along and be lovey dovey but I consider a bad attitude the guy that complains about everything that doesn’t involve him winning every match and can’t give props.
You seem to have some very specific experience that you’re using to judge every thing.
In my experience what you’re saying is just not true. I’ve never met someone who is GENUINELY like that. I know someone who shit talks constantly and is a really sore loser but that’s just his personality. He’s just the vocal and emotional type.
Props? Given when deserved. How often does mutantxp say ‘that was SICK!’ lol
A lot. It’s not like people aren’t open to it, and in my experience actually very accepting of someone new. If that new person can show they have some level of competency. If you’re just wasting everyone’s time then you don’t deserve anything. People are all over the scale. Some people don’t really say much, and some people are very active in helping someone improve.
Being all excited over a taunt is weird. Taunting will always be the same.
If you taunt at the end of a round you better be able to keep winning lol or you’re going to look like a real fool. Why do we have extra time/diff juggle rules after a round is over? To hug?
Ask igloobob here if those scary NYC guys were terrible people who bullied him.
the only place you will find people being real dicks is online. in person the community that goes out to play for realsies is too small to be jerks to each other.
Actually, a lot of East Coast dudes and Canucks get mad that I sometimes taunt in an online match. I think they’re more mad that I beat them personally.
You know I can’t disagree with what you posted. Again, I’m not for lovey bullshit either and people taunt me all the time and I don’t give a shit. It happens, I just think it’s interesting when people taunt early on a larger stage. But hey like you said, they look like fools if they can’t get it done.
You and Ryan are making sense. You both have greater experience out in the action than I did.
I think what ryan means is like it’s already friendly enough. no one is bullying anyone or anything. i think the most important thing is just knowing where you sit in the community. that is the safest way to make sure you don’t annoy anyone or end up ignored. the fastest way to being excluded is acting like you’re hot shit and complaining a lot.
you need to respect seniority and skill. that doesn’t mean being a little bitch but as long as people are being civil, know where you rank.
so when the #1 person in your area says ‘wow you played terribly’ it won’t hurt you because you know you’re not as good and he’s right.
the other thing is understanding until you actually play someone, you have no idea how strong they are compared to you.
so just never judge prematurely.
How much do team tournament results play apart on a player’s skill level? It is one and done but let’s say the player beats about 10 strong/top players in a row, what does that say about the player?
What’s the sample size here? 1 tournament? 2? 10 over 10 years? What type of consistency? What kind of strong/top players? Are you telling me there were 10 top players at your shelter 5v5? There might not even be 10 legit top players in America, how can there be 10 at your local 5v5 tourney?
An example is Tominaga. One thing I’ve always been curious is how people view him 50/50. However, he went out at coop cup and showed his legitimacy by beating a lot of top players. 4 chuns at pre coop and Nuki’s entire team. Would that make him one of the best? or are 2 strong performances not enough validation to judge on?
In Tominagas case yes. Dankah won a Japanese tournament recently, does that make him a god level player in Japan? No because it was a small weekly tournament (Still kudos to him <3) so it really depends on level of play and amount of players
In comparison Kurodas performance at the last SBO and Kokujins performance at KOW does not mean they’re bad players, rusty or otherwise
I mean I guess it boils down to perception and perspective which differs from different people. Some people view top players as the absolute king pin and anything less isn’t top. Others can view top like any top 8 placing in a tourney.
However yeah I believe team tourney results should carry some fine representation of a player’s strength if one defeats a lot of good players.
Third Strike is a game of repetition and adaptation. You need a relatively large sample size to make big claims. Single match isn’t really good to determine how strong a player is. While that is the tournament standard in Japan, they offset that negative aspect by how often they play. Tominaga isn’t a top player based off 1 or 2 strong performances in team play. He’s a top player because he has shown strong contention for years.
Scope also matters. You may be strong in New York, but it’s not enough to consider you a “top player”, especially if the scope is America. The only way to get that is through repeated strong showings in large tournaments, stretched over a large period. You’re one of the best Ryus America has to offer, but you’re delusional to think beyond that. The conversation we had yesterday could’ve easily finished in 1 minute if you said:
“exodus doesn’t think I’m a top player? Fuck him, I’ll go prove it in the years to come.” or, just simply “Fuck him.” It certainly isn’t “Fuck him, I’m a top player because I beat Vanao 2x in a mirror, a local 5v5 single match tourney, and Nica KO’s fledgling Yun in a local 3 years back.”
