Y’know… I do have a bit of extra money, so traveling outside of SoCal to visit with more 3S heads isn’t totally out of the question, if only for a weekend and change…
I think if I had never played on cab I would probably be much better now because I would have just played ggpo and still play semi-regularly.
Going and playing on cab ruined me. I wish I lived within like 30 mins. I’d be there all the time. That extra 45-60 mins each way adds up. It’s an all day affair to go play and then you also want to catch up, eat at olive garden [ 
], etc. and then if there are more than like 3 people, get nottttt too much time on the cab since I won’t be streaking a whole lot lol
So the end result is just not playing often and then when I decide to just have some fun on ggpo I have to deal with all the shitheads when I just want a few games with the NYC/EC crowd.
I was just in brooklyn last night for the zelda symphony orchestra and it reminded me how much I fucking hate everything east of the oranges.
Come to NY on your next trip Duralath.
We can set up Anti-shoto vs Duralath for a fight card.
Exodus, my point wasn’t that WE would make it out over if big name players went. If I ever happened to see you in person, I would split your lip. My point was that ANYONE NOT NEW YORK might be willing to make a trip if it wasn’t the same little tournament games that Yuuki and Nica and Denjizz win over and over just at a major for SF4 or something. That was my point. Somehow your inclination to managing to “win” arguments based on like count has over-shadowed your attempt at discerning meaning. Of course, though, you won’t see it. Just how adults can’t see why kids love the taste of cinammon toast crunch.
The guys that make it out here from Arizona, might go if there was more to it. The guys that make it out here from NorCal might go if there was more to it. The guys that make it out here from Denver might go if there was more to it. Nica might fucking go because they hype bucks were enough for him to be able to afford it. Japanese players might go in an attempt to silence the spirit of the people. Things like that.
Anyway, I’ve had my say in reaction to the original intent of the current topic and you’ve had your female over-reaction to my post. Have good night, honey bun. You guys are the sf4 community of 3s. Great job!
3s is not dead, it’s just taken a backseat to ggpo and all the other gameboy iterations of the game including oe. Keep up with the times, they said…At least Kuroda, Nuki and the Japanese still truly love this game even if they don’t always win.
Yi told me you are on drugs Dander.
@Ryu24 / Denjizz
If 5star really said that about the boiler room that kind of sucks but if it’s true then that says more about what Yi is doing with his life these days. Pyro still rapes him. As has been said, he is looking for a wife. I don’t know if you know what that does to the brain hence the reason I brought up your marriage to your top. Also, I, personally, wouldn’t speak negatively about a new yorker or his gang to his face and yi is graceful enough that he’d take the whole step and actually place you above him for safety’s sake. I’m sure you understand that since every other trip ends with you almost getting jumped.
Puerto Rican, right?
@dander So, what you’re saying is playing top players that you haven’t played before is not an incentive for most people to travel. You’re also saying that prize pools incentives are not an incentive for most people to travel. Pretty much the two biggest reasons for anyone to travel, you’re saying that they’re not good reasons?
Let me ask you then, oh wise Dander. What would it take for you personally to travel across the U.S.? Nothing right? Because most people aren’t willing to travel unless they have a pretty good shot at winning to recoup expenses, or they are extremely passionate about the game and meeting people of like minds, of which, you are neither.
You are Yi and drugs are too scary for me. I don’t even smoke as joyfully anymore because of how people’s minds seem to age backwards with age. Have fun, old friend. Sucks to hear about your wavering morale. I’m just about fully healed again and was hoping to take you on respectfully.
Making friends is hard work for some people, isn’t it?
I’d lose. I’m terrible at this game.
See, I allowed myself the authority to learn the word passion and learn the feel of passion on my own terms. If doing things the way you and everyone else says to do them means I’m passionate then okay, I’m not passionate. Passionate to me means that I go extra lengths to enjoy this. It doesn’t mean I go the extra mile just to be able to do it in a different setting. I’m not passionate about tournaments, I’m passionate about 3s. That out of the way…
Playing top players can be an incentive. I’m not going to fly to play against ChrisG. I’m probably not going to fly to play against Nica either. I’m not going to fly simply because there are other people that play the game somewhere else when I got the same arguments and the same set ups over here.
The incentive, to me, in those situations would be an experience that could make for a good memory. I live life and then I play 3s. I don’t play 3s as a means to life. I wish I could but I wasn’t privileged to have a community of players that I felt I could build an arcade empire around. Around here, if I beat someone too badly, they stop showing up. Truth. That doesn’t mean that I’m beating only skillful players but it isn’t changing the fact of the matter. Sure the money could be an incentive but a 200 dollar return on a 450 dollar commercial flight isn’t exactly promising much of a memory if I’m going to fly to New York just to be ostracized as I attempt to take the gold. Yi’s family is fucking rich. He can do that kind of thing. I’m a poor Mexican dude. Yeah I would fly to Japan just to lose but that’s because the Japanese allll carry a different style of high-in-quality play and there’s other things to see there. I’ve been to Texas and I’ve been to New York. Neither really offers someone like me much more than the chance to meet new people, whom to this day have been kind of assholes towards me all because I said my friends are better than their friends at a video game. I could probably go out and get drunk but last time I did that in NY I got jumped by two different groups and got taken for 40 bucks. I didn’t put myself in the mix, I just said that Yi/5star would beat Nica. Literally all I said.
So, no, the chance to play the players that win the tournaments over there isn’t exactly an incentive because Japanese players come over here, to where I am, and even then I don’t always get to play them. MOV is one of my favoritest players in the world and I didn’t get to play him on3s when he came down to SoCal bc the top players wouldn’t let anyone else on the machine unless you were extremely pushy. Something I am not. It’s just not…feasible to make statements like you have and expect them to carry weight if they aren’t true. It’s not a good enough incentive from a risk/reward standpoint and having met Nica, Justin and a few other cats I don’t think I’d be “cool” enough within the community to believe that I’d get a chance to run some matches post-tournament as Dander that other guy that’s good and not as Dander some guy on the boards that talks shit and isn’t very good and needs to be exposed and then ridiculed and possibly left stranded in New York because “that’ll teach 'em”.
I am neither what? Passionate nor like minded? I am passionate but I don’t let commercial success fuel my idea of what it is to be passionate about something. If you ask me anything about 3s, as 3s, I have your answer. If you ask me to demonstrate anything, besides maybe Keeper Jin combo, I can do it. If you asked me to show you some of the developer jokes that were programmed into 3s, I can show you some. If you asked me to share with you parts of the game that are almost mystical in appeal, I got them, bro. I am passionate as fuck about finding new ways to enjoy 3s. Not so much about proving the contemptuous wrong. I have my securities locked in other things. Maybe if I thought I’d be meeting someone that is passionate about 3s and not necessarily just passionate about winning, I’d attempt to make the trip over like I attempted to make the trip to Jersey when I was in New York just to play with the Doylestown boys. They were busy. Oh well.
Also, the way you guys complain about reading 3 or 4 paragraphs is fucking pathetic. Read a goddamn book and complain that you couldn’t understand it, not a 2 minute piece of diction that you asked for. I respect the means to communication and I respect the differences that created the NEED for communication. If you are never consistent with the topic or the intent of the topic then I can’t really pin point your own premise and will need to make sure to cover all my bases because if I don’t you’ll just come back at me with another insult. Typical fob shit, man. You think I didn’t grow up around asians or something?
No, those two are not good incentives to travel for people that are not among the top pool of players. Sell me on challenging myself and all that as an incentive to incentivize my point of view if you must but that is not what passion is about. That is the makings of a unified community through a convolution of incentive. Something akin to that construct we call “race”.
You and I are not like minded, sure, but I think I could hang with someone like Rowan and have a good time because he’s a fun and peace loving fellow like me, eventhough he gets kind of annoyed with my “take” to community on these boards. I could probably hang with Louis but doing so might get me lambasted by the rest of you for choosing the wrong side. THINGS ARE NOT SO BLACK AND WHITE, YOU ARE NOT THE NYPD. But things being this way would totally keep me from going out that way on account of the fact that I post on here with you all and would hope to feel a unified community as I’ve perceived it to be here on the internet. All in one place, all talking amongst each other and not necessarily just about each other, you get me? This isn’t gang warfare, son, this is a game and one that is professed to attract people of intelligence. But in the end, it’s still a game, and the fact that observers of the game offer a reward based on the mind ( omg super difficult!!!111one ) doesn’t exactly mean you’re going to end up meeting people that respect the mind in the same way. It also doesn’t mean that it can’t be easy.
Anyway I’m going to go get banned so I may not get to reply.
I would ignore naysayers and hold whatever event with whichever players anyway. The people who want to go will go and those who don’t, won’t.
No big deal.
Pretty much what EC has been doing for awhile now.
I would also be wary of talking for other people.
If the event in Austin happens, I’m sure they would love to have you guys come down. Very welcoming bunch who still love the game.
At least if you come to Austin, the drinking will be more fun than the tourney!
You wrote all of that to finally admit that you have absolutely no desire to travel to play 3S within the US. Why not just state that at the very start instead of assigning phantom caveats that clearly make no difference?
Do you ever stop to think about your thoughts to make sure they are consistent before you write whatever streams through your conscious mind?
The problem with Genghis Khan’s domination of the Orient is that the idea that complete and total domination is the ideal.
I am not vying for domination. I want to see 3rd strike in a unified state again and your attitude is the Jafar of attitudes. You want the pussy and give no shits about what else happens around you. Not even destroying your livelihood matters as long as you get that final bit of pussy.
I’m saying I’d split your lip because you make it an issue to get in my face and twist my words to pull a meaning more in line with the things people in new york probably hate. I wouldn’t be doing it to prove I’m stronger than you. If you turned out to be bigger than me and stronger than me, I’d still bust your lip because you were being disrespectful at me and making me seem like the bad guy when I’m going out on a limb to help people here when they ask for it.
Just because you didn’t want to go to evo and win with Chun Li, doesn’t mean you can’t give a bit of good Chun Li zoning advice using what you know about Yun. There is a lexical correlation between words and understanding. Like it or not. gg.
Anyway, I’m getting banned so I don’t have to keep trying to help the people that you guys talk down to from your ivory towers.
Also, those are not reasons to keep me from travelling. Those are examples of things you are selling that I have no desire to buy. I would travel if it was worth it. If you’re admitting this is it and this is how it’s going to be, then you have no desire to help the community grow again. You are simply trying to cash in like the rest of the dudes that were around in the decline of these games.
You make that same kind of distinction in your 3s explanations and it never makes sense to anyone. So they stop coming back. And then you guys end it with just practice in training mode. What the fuck is the point of a message board then? Just use a fucking wiki.
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Biggest problem with US players is they can’t put the ego aside and acknowledge talent despite rivalry. I see this immensely in Japanese players’ commentary on others they are watching. Someone in the tier 1 or tier 2 of Japanese 3S pro skill will spectate matches at an arcade between two guys no where near their skill level. They don’t make it negative, instead it’s, “X player is really presenting a strong push but Y player although having trouble seems to be getting the hang of it”. They’re far more supportive of one another as a collective despite gaps in skill, compared to us in the US. Maybe that’s one of the reasons why America isn’t on that level over a larger group of players versus the Japanese.
I see a lot of arguing in this sub forum and on fightcade about, “why I’m better than you”, and cue the repeated posts or messaging in the chat and it just turns into an insult war with no game play at all, just two people talking past one another for 20 minutes until one signs out. People do look at that as bullshit, and I do too. I also see it as we as a group are so passionate about how much time we’ve put into this game over the years and how much we love it. It pains us to admit sometimes our peers might have the upper hand or be better by some margin.
Doesn’t have to stay that way, you just have to put in more time and take the edge back. I get my ass beat on fightcade every other night. I can admit that. I can also admit when I’ve bested someone. I get told I’m free by people as I’m losing to them during the set. It happens, it does irk me to be told that but then I ask myself, “Is his allegation valid? How many matches is he winning and how little respect is he showing you through how he plays his character? If you wanted to, could you shut him down at will?” I have to say no more than I enjoy doing so. I don’t have an answer some nights to a player’s strategy in some sets, so yes I’m free in this instance. We need to bring a little more humility into this group but I know that’s not happening. We just get too hung up on ourselves.
What Khang is trying to say Dander is… Outside of me, for whatever motivated me to go, whether that be I’m rich, or I wanted to play the Japs, or I wanted to 911 NY, or I wanted to eat White Castle or the motivation that Khang is talking about… Socal is no longer relevant in the 3rd Strike scene, it hasn’t been for a long time. That’s not to say some other location was relevant, but Socal definitely isn’t the capital it was when FFA was around.
Socal 3s has been living in the accomplishments of player A B C and D for a decade now, if you still believe these guys should be the headliners, you are a fool. Outside of the contributions of the Larios for opening their house up to us to play, Mike Watson at Super Arcade, Bagrat at Denjin, Socal has not contributed to the 3rd Strike community at all. No videos, no touranaments, no traveling, NOTHING. There are a few players that contribute, but when they see the TOXIC attitude Khang mentions, there’s no reason to.
When I went to NY, I saw the contributions of these guys. Lloyd and crew do a great job with videos, setups, I was almost brought back. T-shirts, podcasts, everything. They duplicated SBO presentation. It’s something we as a whole 3s community have always wanted. Guess what? It’s there. These EC guys… Are they rich? No. But they work together, they all contribute. I wish I could be apart of that community and offer what I can for them. What have you contributed Dander?
I went to NY for many reasons. One was to contribute to the community. I wanted to go and shake hands with them and say hey thanks for coming to our place, I want to contribute to the game and your scene. I hope your feeble mind can understand this. Lloyd paid us a trip to Boiler. EC guys have come to my events like Sunroute. It was time for me to return the favor. I wanted to support the game. I met a lot of players that love the game as much as I do. I met new players, I reconnected with old friends. I want to go back whenever my schedule allows me. I want to keep this game alive as long as possible, you do that by contributing to the community. This Igloo guy brings what? 3rd Strike boards to Vegas? They might not be star players, but they do more for the community than anyone in Socal.
As for Nica vs Yuuki. They are the most relevant 3s players in America right now. Player A B C and D are all washed up now. Thats a match I would like to see myself. I’m sure it’d draw a bigger crowd than player A Stun Gun Alex and player B Hugo exhibition…
As for why I don’t play… I gotta make money so I can fly first class to NY again…
Lastly, the most toxic factor in Socal and here’s an insider tip… Player A has such an engaging personality, and always has through history, that all the players want to be just like him. They end up talking like him, thinking like him and his ideals pressed onto them. He’s a role model to them because of how good he is at the game and how funny he is. Player A, however, got 5th at SBO along with a long list of other accomplishments. Player A has earned the right to do what he does. Most Socal players can’t even get 5th in a 4 person tournament…
No one cares why you went. I posited that you stopped going to the boiler room after you came back. Any point beyond that is moot and superfluous. I’m reading the post as I reply, queue the incoming dick ride that has been made clear by the shearing point you just provided as a preface.
The 3rd Strike community is made up of all the little guys, pal. Hate to break it to you. It’s not the headliners, it’s all the little dudes doing their part to keep the game alive. You just go to tournaments and win them after playing exlusively with the best players in the area. Great job! You have contributed a sense of entitlement to the region you play in. Hooorahhhhh! Three cheers for the emperor!
I’ll the be the first to admit that back then I wasn’t really part of the 3rd strike community because I couldn’t afford to travel. I was never really considered a friend by you and your troupe but you were, apparently, willing to tolerate my level of play. I consdered that a friendship even if it was only a mainstay to the image that you needed sold in order to keep your ego boost and even if it was just a favor to your buddy Ramos. I’ve made enemies of Khang and all them alike defending your ass and you can’t even acknowledge that in all your grandstanding. Is the boss tall or just wants to be seen that way?
I’m not saying you, pyro, mutant, justin, etc should be headliners. I’m saying that you guys in the 3s community should explicity make for matches between Nica and Yuuki, Exo and Yuuki, Exo and Nica, Mopreme and those three the way they do at Wrestlemania and Summerslam and things of the like. No rigging the brackets the way you guys used to do.
As for the contribution efforts, I used to pick up and drive a whole mess of people around to tournaments all over for no fee. I did it for the sake of having good tournaments. I opened up my house for people to play at my house and play the game. I posted here long ago giving people tips about how to play, how to see the game and what kinds of things need to be considered. I invited sf4 players to learn the game with us when they get bored of sf4. I bothered learning sf4 in an attempt to relate both games as one set of tules. Even to this day, I go on fightcade and play the scrubs that are begging people for games and can’t get any in due to people calling them garbage or laggy. Exo and them spend a lot of time in there, why can’t these guys get in some games from these oh so noble benefactors? Why can’t the attitude of the top players trickle down to the general community? Because the attitude isn’t right and everyone knows it, just that no one can say a thing because conventional policy rears its head in by way of ignorant top players and that becomes the final word of it. Pfft.
I mentioned my contributiosn above. I don’t like having a camera presence, I’d rather just record matches and then relay them to internet. Camera presence, I think, detracts from the point of the logic inferred in playing high level matches. Parry epitomises that whole sentiment. “It doesn’t matter who you are, I’m going to parry that shit”. I tried to chime in on podcasts and such but my name wasn’t big enough, remember? Instead you guys would just call me a stoner, make up shit about me putting drugs in herb or something and then laugh it off like the rest of your fobby nature wasn’t going to pick up on it and make me out to be a bad guy. You called me ignorant, once, long ago and I don’t think you realize where you were coming from.
You asked me a long time ago, how I do it. I know now. I just do but there is a little bit more to it and I can explain that now.
It’s great that they have managed to broadcast the efforts to those that seek it out, it really is. I don’t know what that argument has to do with what we’re talking about. I guess I’m supposed to feel bad because they pool a lot of time into this venture and you have made it sound like I’m saying their tournaments suck? I didn’t say that. I’m saying that it’s more important to the player base nowadays that the hype be at least a little bit built up, considering how open ended this whole game is and how difficult it is to see that in play. That a lot of the player base are so out of the loop with the game, it being difficult to reach the recesses of the country, that they are convinced of how boring this game is at the character select screen. Yawn Chun Yun Ken.
Just to be clear, I don’t want under your wing. I don’t feel overlooked because I’m not rich. Please, man. I respect your pool of habit because it resembled some of mine, mentally - to me - at least, and those were things I worked fucking hard at so you deserve that respect.
Like I said, why you went out there makes no difference to the point of the discussion. I can understand that they do stuff for the game but I don’t see how that relates to what might make people want to attend the tournament or watch it. A random rigged tournament bracket isn’t going to make another hype daigo moment. A 3 month long preface to a match between Yuuki and Daigo might, though.
Also, I don’t know if you know this but the community mostly being online now means that Igloo is indeed one of the star players. He even beat out Ryan, the current American champion, in that tournament in a Chun Chun match up to take the gold. As I said earlier, I do contribute, I just don’t pretend that my presence suffices the fact. You gotta put in real time with them if you want to be able to say you watched them grow. Otherwise they’ll just deny it and you’ve crippled the basis of your contribution.
I was the one that said that match should happen… :rolleyes: These guys were talking about Yuuki vs Exo. I’ll agree that one of the biggest names that pops up when people talk 3s is Nica but it’s different now because not everyone simply agrees like they did with Pyro and Justin and I used to talk to a ton of randoms here on these same boards back then. There’s a state of contention given the rise in 3s play overseas but no one ever seems to mention Yuuki outside of these boars. The current state of which is of his own making via the appointed authority and trust he gained from providing a liason to the Japanese play style. If I thought to focus my own playstyle on the Japanese one, I might be said to be in the same league as he, but I don’t because I’m trying to keep to the tenents that made me believe I could as myself in the first place. I’m not trying to just copy like you’ve always claimed I do. ( They would say Lenin of theiir own accord, I never heard it before I re-watched the videos recently. Sorry about that. ) They mention Yuukl’s accomplishments in Japan and conjecture to posit the he and Nica at equal standing. Exo following in close third. I think that to place America in a vaccuum is an err in logic and will not carry the weight you want it to because the Europeans have been the only ones able to defend their territories from the Japanese but I’ve been too stubborn to admit it until just now.
Well I didn’t know that was why you weren’t going to the boiler room anymore. How am I supposed to know you guys get to live that way. Rich dudes I used to know how no trouble asking for help if they wanted to have a little fun inbetween. It’s nice to know where you’ll be the next time the tides shift, though.
I’ll assume you’re talking about Gootecks as Player A, considering he was the only one of you guys that I ever heard made it past quals in sbo ( ahh the Urien unblockable platitude, learn the new thing and you don’t have to worry about the old way as much ), but you might be talking about Justin since Justin has actually won sbo, just not in 3s. I think the goo may have won a few of your guys’ ranbats, though, so you might actually really mean him.
I have no clue what you are referring to as far as the right to do what he does. Really, I’m drawing a blank here. I probably don’t want to know, though, right? Then again you might mean that as a narrative supplied to the community as an omission of fault to a maladjusted individual that happens to be at the top and being catered to by a community of well doers gone awry in their haste to appease that which keeps their beacon of a society so brightly lit. They didn’t mean to!!! waaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!! no more games!!!
Most SoCal players certainly couldn’t cut through a tournament that has more than 5 good players all using exceptional characters in the game because the skill ceiling is too high and it just so happens to be those top players that manage the stuff that goes on behind the scenes at the SoCal tournaments. I don’t know that I could ever win one of your guys’ tournaments considering that I always get you or Pyro, the usual winners, in my first or second match yet you none of you guys ever had to play each other until at least 3 or 4 points in to the tournament. No accusations and no excuses, as I might still just lose to you guys in the later rounds. I’m just stating the facts as they come, not as one might put them.
Anyway, it was nice chatting with you but once again you missed the point and just kept playing the at bay game as if it’s hard to let the game do the deducing for you. When you talk nothing but niceties, you’ll embolden more to be more open, sure, but it just makes it more difficult to get to the core of the matter. But you know this. You work in finance. As an accountant, no less.
These games are three options away from creating a risky situation. Hold back, hold down back, tech grab. Literally, the only thing that keeps people from winning, is their inability to do these in conjugate. Ehhh…considering it’s 3s, I guess there’s also the time necessary to learn the parry timings. So four things, then. You just demonstrated a ruling that abides a form of rhetoric that contorts the meaning implied and the meter that manages a dispute about the game. They keyword being about. Have fun you low forward scrub.
Ps. Yes. I’m aware that you didn’t actually read all of the posts. You gotta be sure to understand what they’re exposed to if you intend on helping them. Censuring all acts to predictability isn’t becoming of you, Yi Wang.