2015 UMVC3 SRK Tier/Theory Discussion. 7/10 First Page Tumblr: Power of snapback, Future power teams

[serpentaurus]

Can “you must be new here” be our new memetic phrase? We need to use that more often.

you must be new here

[Discarnate]

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Why don’t we just tier based on how chiseled the character’s face is?

[AceKillah]

Why don’t we just tier based on how chiseled the character’s face is?

Hulk best in game. Modok must be second since hes like…all face.

[charlie88]

Dat Ryu Brock Face

[Ouroborus]

rapid seismos is really good against task.

really, REALLY good. it kinda destroys his keepaway game entirely, especially combined with strider. you have to go in as him against her, which risks ex seismo and ex tk and whatnot. also ex thunderknuckle makes jump arrows possibly lead to your death if they do guess ex tks.

it’s slightly in her favor but only because she forces him into a certain playstyle. i kinda feel he can still fight her up close but i can’t put my finger on why. (better normals/close up poking game?)

if you can get your seismic game going, then sure, she has a shot. but both his shield skills and akumas assist nullifies seismic hammers.

Characters like Captain America, Task and Akuma force you to learn how to utilize focus. Focus is another heavily underutilized tactic because it’s the main tool they gave her to beat footsies that she normally has trouble with. Especially characters with high priority non rapid fire normals or moves that generally absorb projectiles.

The only other character that still has hyper armor IIRC is she hulk and she has to commit to a special move in order to get it.

sting master beats focus and is too fast to react to

[GREEK]

so what?
Where are you going with this? Viper is bad without neutral assists. Strider was bad in marvel 2 without specific assists. What is your point exactly? For the record, morrigan has to be one of the most self-sufficient characters in this game because she has so much mobility, and she can convert from practically anywhere, and she can protect her approach similar to magneto.

My point was that morrigan is not top 2 without doom and therefore not truly a top 2 character. Morri/doom is top 2 shell easy, morrigan compared to other characters as a character in marvel in a whole (on screen very good, assists not so good, self sufficiancy very solid, DHC very good, incoming good, anything else?) is not top 2.

and strider without doom in MvC2 was heresy. Heck, even without Doom she’s a great character with some of the best tools in the game.

Even though she is attached to doom and even though she is a very great character it bugs me to think she is #2 in the game. She is not that overpowered.

[CasualHero]

My point was that morrigan is not top 2 without doom and therefore not truly a top 2 character. Morri/doom is top 2 shell easy, morrigan compared to other characters as a character in marvel in a whole (on screen very good, assists not so good, self sufficiancy very solid, DHC very good, incoming good, anything else?) is not top 2.

Dark Harmonizer is a great assist. I don’t think she’s a top 2 character if you look at just Morrigan, but she’s a top 5 and I can see how opinion would decide to put her in the top 2.

[DevilJin_01]

if you can get your seismic game going, then sure, she has a shot. but both his shield skills and akumas assist nullifies seismic hammers.

sting master beats focus and is too fast to react to

Yeah capture state moves and throws are the only things that really bypass focus. It’s the same reason why the Spider Man matchup can be troublesome for her because she may have more durability and what not, but all of Spiderman’s ground projectiles duck under laser and if you aren’t seismoing your ass off the capture state projectile grabs you.

I’m not sure he can really do a lot post sting so you can play mind games with whether or not you are going to focus after seismo. If he goes for shield skills into spider sting and you blocked…that should be pretty good for you afterwards especially if you’re still holding onto a meter and he doesn’t have an assist ready. It’s not like there’s much else he can go into that will beat your focus other than sting so just jump block and either block sting while sitting on meter or just block whatever else he was doing. If he’s close you’ll have throw, H thunder knuckle and hopefully EX seismo or thunder knuckle ready.

Blocking is not great but if you jump cancel block and hold on to EX seismo…you can always have that turn into something later. It’s just one of those few matchups where you can’t just spam shit and win.

[Cheech_Wizard]

Im glad people are finally starting to recognize hidden missiles xx photon array team super on incoming characters isnt a real mixup. If you push block every single hidden missile, Doom will get pushed away and unable to get a high low mixup.

[Rokmode]

Im glad people are finally starting to recognize hidden missiles xx photon array team super on incoming characters isnt a real mixup. If you push block every single hidden missile, Doom will get pushed away and unable to get a high low mixup.

too bad people will still be doing it a year from now
game needs more vanilla doom players

[DevilJin_01]

too bad people will still be doing it a year from now
game needs more vanilla doom players

Yeah Clockwork shows what happens when you’ve actually been playing Doom since Vanilla and know that S dive stops working when people block and shoot you to hell with projectiles.

[maziodyne]

I remember Vanilla Doom… S dive was that button you hardly pressed in neutral, and you actually had to know proper conversions. Good times.

[GREEK]

Dark Harmonizer is a great assist. I don’t think she’s a top 2 character if you look at just Morrigan, but she’s a top 5 and I can see how opinion would decide to put her in the top 2.

I kinda suck at the game so I talk about the facts instead of make bogus opinions and I was silly thinking people did purely the same.

[DevilJin_01]

I kinda suck at the game so I talk about the facts instead of make bogus opinions and I was silly thinking people did purely the same.

I don’t think Morrigan is really even top 5 for sure yet…but if you go by what Chrisis rates characters by then yeah she would be like top 2 or 3. Which is basically the ability to kill while keeping the opponent from killing you. Viper, Zero and Morrigan are the best at those extremes.

Dark Harmonizer is top 5 assist though because it improves the neutral of any character that is strengthened by supers. It basically gives you more supers, DHC’s and THC’s as an assist and if you watch what’s been fucking people up in this game lately…that’s pretty fucked up. It basically allows you to run around in the neutral and get a similar strengthening effect to landing a meter positive heavy combo or TAC. Which if he has Morrigan in top 5 support…that assist I’m sure is majority of the reason (on top of her great supers).

Which means Morrigan herself has one of the best answers to defeating Morri Doom.

[Rokmode]

I kinda suck at the game so I talk about the facts instead of make bogus opinions and I was silly thinking people did purely the same.

I don’t think you know how a tier list works. None of us know the real facts. There is an inherent tier list, and our knowledge continues to grow in order to get as close to accurate as possible. These “bogus” opinions are a result of analyzing the game. They might not be right, but morrigan is very good. Characters should be tiered with their most optimal setup.

[Steelguttey]

Is there a way to make a chrisis list? Like put your characters in order in a list for support and point and then your tier list is poofed out? If not someone should make that.

[Din0]

Im glad people are finally starting to recognize hidden missiles xx photon array team super on incoming characters isnt a real mixup. If you push block every single hidden missile, Doom will get pushed away and unable to get a high low mixup.

Is that why it never works for me but it looks like it works when I see it on stream

[Stryke_Blayde]

Dark Harmonizer is top 5 assist though because it improves the neutral of any character that is strengthened by supers. It basically gives you more supers, DHC’s and THC’s as an assist and if you watch what’s been fucking people up in this game lately…that’s pretty fucked up. It basically allows you to run around in the neutral and get a similar strengthening effect to landing a meter positive heavy combo or TAC. Which if he has Morrigan in top 5 support…that assist I’m sure is majority of the reason (on top of her great supers).

I wouldn’t go that far. While it IS the best meter-building assist of 3, I wouldn’t call it Top 5. For what it does, you’re giving up a space control/combo extension/mix-up/etc. assist for a little extra meter. Meter’s nice, but when you’re limiting your options of having any combination of Hidden Missile/Jam Session/Cold Star/Beam Assists/etc., it means you have to work harder because you’re down that one assist and that limits your options. I mean, I almost consider Shadow Blade to be Morrigan’s best assist, just because I’ve seen it used as a pretty simple incoming tool and it actually work, and she could CC into a full combo with i-frames(IIRC).

[DevilJin_01]

I think people are so used to hidden missiles being unpushblockable as an assist that they forget you can push block it on point.

I wouldn’t go that far. While it IS the best meter-building assist of 3, I wouldn’t call it Top 5. For what it does, you’re giving up a space control/combo extension/mix-up/etc. assist for a little extra meter. Meter’s nice, but when you’re limiting your options of having any combination of Hidden Missile/Jam Session/Cold Star/Beam Assists/etc., it means you have to work harder because you’re down that one assist and that limits your options. I mean, I almost consider Shadow Blade to be Morrigan’s best assist, just because I’ve seen it used as a pretty simple incoming tool and it actually work, and she could CC into a full combo with i-frames(IIRC).

You’re not really giving up that much since it’s basically the least active assist in the game (meaning it’s basically the fastest assist in the game). It’s very easy to add in when you’re already winning a spacing game with your current assist and now all of a sudden you’re considerably up on meters without even touching the opponent. By the time you use it your next assist is already ready again.

Especially with how Alioune has had unnecessarily big success running away with neutral assistless Magneto and calling Morri till he gets 5…yeah. If we lose to Chris G’s Morri Doom for 4 years straight…chalk up nobody trying that with an optimized shell up first as one of the reasons.

[Stryke_Blayde]

You’re not really giving up that much since it’s basically the least active assist in the game (meaning it’s basically the fastest assist in the game). It’s very easy to add in when you’re already winning a spacing game with your current assist and now all of a sudden you’re considerably up on meters without even touching the opponent. By the time you use it your next assist is already ready again.

Especially with how Alioune has had unnecessarily big success running away with neutral assistless Magneto and calling Morri till he gets 5…yeah. If we lose to Chris G’s Morri Doom for 4 years straight…chalk up nobody trying that with an optimized shell up first as one of the reasons.

-when you’re already winning-

You can never guarantee that you’ll always be in that position, and when you aren’t it’s not gonna do much at all for you GETTING to that point, aside from giving you more meter for installs/meter punishes. I’d much rather have an assist that would help me regardless of what point in the match it was than I would an assist that helps me when I’m already winning.

As for Alioune(don’t know this person, so I can’t say if he/she’s any good), that could just be attributed to people not knowing the keepaway-Magneto match-up, since most people I see use him are always rushing down.