I don’t know if you’re serious or not, but why do people act like this is SF and footsies take precedent over everything else?
At some point, Dante will make you block something and considering his tools, he has plenty of options (aside from 1 frame ground throw, boo hoo) to open you up. It’s like people forget that stupid sword normal hitboxes, frame traps and assists exist.
Spencer’s got what, a 5-6 frame cr. L. But how many times am I just going to open someone up by doing dash up cr. L when they’re not in recovery frames?
I mean, hell, just watch Yipes play. He throws out more st. Ls and st. Ms than I see cr. Ls. Is he thinking that he’s actually going to catch you not blocking at all? No… he’s trying to make you block so that he can actually apply pressure.
It really is just the speed of his normals that hurt him the most. Off of ground throws if you have Disruptor/any beam assist you can just look at it as a free teleport mixup on oki if you can time the beam to hit meaty (which is actually a lot easier than it sounds.) I feel like there’s no reason to be scared of this though because his frame data is pretty wack in terms of guardstun and+frames. Why not just mash cr.L like a loon?
It’d be nice if his normals were more conducive to being a frame trap character, but all the frame data seems like it was made with a dart board anyway. Same with who gets to convert off of throws.
Why the fuck is Dante going to make me block something? The reason he’s lower than Doom is because if it wasn’t for his assist he’d be C tier and his assist is pretty character specific in usefulness.
Of course the characters it is specific to are the best in the game, so he ends up being quite good, but really that character is terrible on point. All the slow startup of sword normals with none of the hitboxes or juggle potential, weak projectiles, and a box dash that gets demolished by every good character in the game. Spencer can mash anti air command grab and it will auto correct hit him out of it. He is pretty bad at covering assists as well which is one of the absolute most critical factors in being a good character. Finally his damage is bad I don’t care what you say about your double assist combos going into early Devil Trigger,
Lol@ Why Dante is going to make you block something?
:d: :d: + :s: along with :a2:
:f: + :h: along with :a2:, BC :d: :d: + :s:
:a2: = any Beam assist or Vajra.
It’s seriously that simple. I dont think he’s top 5 point, but he’s definitely top 10 and much better than Dr Doom with dumber hitboxes(all his normals/specials have disjointed hitboxes but mediocre startup). Do you know how dumb Hammer and Helm Breaker still are? And wait till people pick up empty reverb shock into fireworks which is a full non superjump screen hitbox that’s plus and pushes back on block. Stinger is fucking retarded, and so is his teleport which is unpunishable. His projectiles are far from weak but are situation specific, Air Play is arguably one of the best projectiles in the game with it’s propeties.
How is he bad covering assists? Air play and stinger are great. If you want to get fancy and actually more effective Reverb whiff into Fireworks says hold that.
In regards to damage certain assists boost his damage a lot. Vajra being the most notable and useful anywhere on screen. Air Dash C combos in the corner crank up the damage too even without assists and they’re not even hard/impractical.
Early DT combos are bad and people who do them should feel bad.
I actually think Dante’s mixup and pressure game with Disruptor or Vajra is really really strong once he’s in, especially with Weasel Shot.
I just feel that his “getting in” ability isn’t phenomenal and holds him back way more than his damage potential does. His damage is actually decent (I mean it takes alot more fucking work than it should and doing optimal combos with him can get messy in a tournament environment).
It is ridiculous but it’s got to be like a 2 frame link, I have a lot of trouble doing it.
I like Dante better than Doom because I feel like Dante has less bad matchups than Doom. There is usually something Dante can do to mitigate a bad matchup. Doom has some matchups where he is just fucked. The thing that tilts me back toward Doom is his air throw conversions and his damage. However, Dante has very easy XF2/3 combos that do 1.1 million so when he gets a hit why not pop XF2, easily take a character, then mixup the next one and maybe take two characters?
Thor beating Dante is like me going outside and spitting on a homeless man in the face and proceeding to take my dick out and extract urine trough muscular activity and pour it on his face
Woah now, I think we are taking the “Dante being ass” thing a bit too far.
This thing about his damage being bad needs to just die already.
And his buttons aren’t that bad. People talk about how Spencer shouldn’t be able to open people up and yet it happens. Its no different with Dante.
Don’t Doom, Spencer, and Viper have bad buttons as well? Doesn’t seem to hurt them at all.