AWESOME. So we agree!
If you want to meet with other female players, then organize it beforehand, hold a side tourney, etc. As for the bulk of your posts, you’re simply stating your own personal goals. While admirable, it still doesn’t really address the topic at hand, which is the existence of the tournament. Like I stated previously, if having a women-only tourney makes it easier to meet other women, and that advantage is enough for you actually mention it, then this tournament shouldn’t be held. Simply put, if it’s like that, it’s for the wrong reasons.
Your post tells me that you see it as a side event, which partially agrees with me after all. This tournament shouldn’t be a showcase, if in existence at all.
Also, as a side note: A person doesn’t have to feel coddled to be coddled by such a thing.
Exactly my point.
This thread just hit the “OH LAWD” status.
Past female only SF4 events would say this is not true.
Yes, I just felt you were against it for a couple reasons which didn’t seem right. Many of your points were valid and I could agree with.
If they wanted to do a side event, I’d be all for it. It doesn’t need to be a designated tournament. However, I do think it adds to the excitement and makes it worth a bit more. It is EVO after all. People seemed so caught up in the fact it’s a female only EVO event, that i felt there was unnecessary hate for it and the females in the fighting game community. It’s going to happen, and I’ll be entering. :arazz: I guess it took a little big of arguing on my side to realize people are going to hate on it no matter what.
Yeah it’s only the fact that there isn’t any more info available yet regarding this event that you guys are still going back and forth. All of this isn’t going to change Evo’s minds and all it’s doing is just splitting things up harder than they already are. This will more than likely be the only year this ever happens so just let it happen and a new set of ideas and ways to go about things will be presented for next year. I can almost guarantee you guys that this tournament will not defame women forever and permanently keep them in scrub status. Especially if they are also going to be entering the regular event that’s an automatic drive to become that much stronger before Evo. They know that whatever happens in the women’s tournament is nothing if they can’t get through the first round of their standard tourney bracket.
There’s no point in trying to take the fun away from the people who are trying to make it fun since that’s what Evo has set. If the very thought of this tournament repulses you and sees a much better world without it…this thread is done for you. Your best shot at this point is to take it up with one of the Evo staff through PM’s cuz Evo’s already done what they’ve done to make thigns more accommodating (force women into regular event) and that’s about all they’re gonna do from what you post in this thread. Ideally sure…the women probably should just straight up do what they did last year and just enter the regular event period but this tournament certainly isn’t all negatives.
So with that let’s try to get some posts in here that are actually going to support this since this thread was designed for people who actually support this event. Which with the new rules set I’m totally in agreeance of having this go down and putting a face to the women who are interested in being competitive. Even if this looks like the sloppiest tournament in the history of fighting games I still think there is SOME GOOD to this and will provide an interesting perspective to the scene that we haven’t normally seen. If it’s deemed not worthy of another year…oh well it’ll be fun for the women who entered this year and we’ll never have to hear about it again. Women in SF aren’t going to be completely ruined by this event so let’s get some positive discussion going on in this thread since this obviously is not totally 100 percent futile or Evo wouldn’t be doing it.
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Less fighting Evo which is easily more futile than this event and more supporting this event basically.**
This ^^^
Even if you guys are totally against this tournament, all I ask is that you leave the negative feelings for it at home and let us have our fun. Please don’t ruin it for the people who want to get the most out of EVO this year.
Well, it seems like I’m late responding to this thread, as there are already calls to stop splitting hairs and arguing this any further.
I’d say your point has been made, and I don’t see any point continuing this discussion if it’s just to take turns punching holes in logic and engaging in what will be no more than a glorified rhetorical exercise. I think I’ve already stood on my soapbox and whored out my examples (either in this thread or the previous one in FGD) to the extremities of good taste, so I think everybody, including me, would be happy to see this discussion end while it still can on a positive note. IMO, the way to continue this discussion is after the EVO women’s invitational has been run, and see whether or not it successfully challenges preconceptions about what qualifies an event as a showcase event, and whether it makes sense to compare a women’s sports division to racial and/or religious segregation, or whether such comparison is, in fact, (like I suspect) a straw-man.
I think your yang is kick-ass btw, and wish you good luck in seeking out opportunities to up the level of your play.
True,it has been a while. I still play 3s sometimes 
I will see if I have room to add you on xbox live. The more practice I get the better I will play.
for real though, i got 100 dollars right now saying this turns into a freak show and there will be an amazing amount of cat calls and disrespect towards the female guests. guys will be laughing at girls for dropping simple combos. i’m very serious. someone bring money.
if anyone thinks otherwise PLEASE feel free to bet it.
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Err now I feel like I was being even more rude than intended since you and runaround didn’t catch that. I was being sarcastic.
Well maybe not sarcastic… but I was highlighting the fact that you said something contradictory to what your whole entire argument seemed to be, which I agreed with. You basically said “I came here to play in the main tournament, not the girls-only”. I agree with that since I’m going for a real tournament too, not the joke girls’ one. Maybe you and runaround hadn’t noticed but it’s about the only thing we’ve agreed on. That’s why I made the joke.
I noticed you contradict yourself a lot in your arguments. You’ve made several posts and I still am having trouble finding where you’ve produced a single strong argument for this tournament other than “I think it will be fun” or “I like playing against girls too!”… … u__u I think tournaments are fun, and I also think it’s fun to play against girls, guys, whoever. But I’m against this tournament because there is a larger underlying issue here. Instead of asking yourself questions like “does this seem fun?” and “what will the prizes be?” try asking yourself under-the-surface questions like “what direction is this going to lead female and male gamers in the FGC?”, “is this tournament taking up time and resources that could be used for something more people would enjoy?”, and “is this tournament really going to get more girls to play / get more girls interested in playing competitively / improve the FGC girls’ gameplay?”
Honestly, consider it as a racially segregated tournament. Say Evo decided to have a tournament just for black people, for whatever reason, they want to showcase the black FGC… some bullsh like that. I think we can agree that’s a pretty outrageous idea right? Well that’s exactly how I feel about this (I’m having trouble seeing how it’s so different). So when people say “oh just let it be and try to have fun”… It’s hard to have fun in a sexist environment. I guess playing games is more important to you though, so have fun getting scraped by Miyuki.
Oh lord. I suppose a post that addresses all of the random posts I see will be less time consuming than individually quoting each one…
To all the people that are trying to say ‘hey, let us have our fun/it’s all in fun’: That’s bullshit. What a lame excuse.
Yes, this is the internet and yes, people tend to make mountains out of molehills, but I don’t see that being the case with this issue. What may seem ‘fun’ to you is insulting and just dumb as hell to other people. I’m not saying the majority is in favor of either stance, but seriously - separating females from males: why? Aside from it being fun? Again, I get it, Evo is supposed to be fun. But how is being separated and showcased because you’re biologically different ‘fun’ for everyone? It’s not, and many [probably not on SRK though] would argue that it’s just fucked up. Segregation is the word. Am I being overly dramatic? Nope, it’s simply that the connotations that are attached to ‘segregation’ are dramatic in historical use.
Also, let’s not get overly dramatic on your own side: no one here has said that the having a women-only tourney means that women are forever fucked in terms of, uh social standing in the fighting game community. The main problem is the separation of the sexes. The end.
And no this thread was NOT designed just for people who support the event - this thread was created because the original idea was thought to be even worse than the current one [revisions are generally a good idea], and it’s to show the changes made to possibly sway those people that thought the first idea was retarded.
And if you think separating sexes in activities for no good reason is a-OK, then yes, the argument is a straw man. If you don’t think separating sexes in activities for no good reason is a good idea, then it’s just common sense.
If you don’t want to argue with just plain logic, then this thread isn’t for you.
This is a good idea, despite that I think that seperating girls from guys in video games is generally sexist since I think girls can compete fine with guys but whatever, if this helps bring in more chicks to hopefully meet, I am down.
Hopefully next year Evo will have a bearded men only SSFIV tournie. In order to enter, Mr. Wiz must verify your beard is real, long enough, and decently groomed.
My issue with all of this though is that I’m not really arguing with u. I mean I physically am but in reality I’m not because I know whatever good reasons u have to argue this ultimately will have to be relayed over to Evo themselves to get anything out of it. Going back and forth with people who’s event that they support and is going to occur is like trying to get the sun not to shine. Even if you get Cuddly and myself to agree with you what has that really done? Nothing cuz there will definitely be a set of women that are still going to participate and support the event. Its not really u vs. I or Super Yan vs. Cuddly. At this point its basically Evo vs. Women if u break the argument down to who in the end is really going to get anything out of arguing. Especially since Evo is going to be making the decision on whether or not this even goes down. I’m not going to argue against something that has been argued in other sporting events for years when u or I ultimately have no control in what happens by SIMPLY POSTING IN THIS THREAD. Its wasted finger exercise.
If u feel u do have some sort of control in this u can do ur thing by ranting at the wrong people but trust me…there’s no battle to be fought in this specific thread unless its aimed directly at inkblot and with that you would be better off taking it to PMs or they are better off just closing the thread and opening another where opposition to the tournament is barred. Cuz I know damned well this thread will be 18 pages of politics as long as u fight a battle against forum members. Members that have no real CONTROL in what happens here as long as they go back and forth here.
This is definitely more important than arguing that arcade machines should be used for this year’s Evo but your results will be the same. Arguing about something that is going to go down no matter if ur post is worthy of the nobel peace prize. If your goal is to win a logic battle then u won that before u even posted and i agree with u. Though if u think this thread won’t just ultimately amount to a thread where you’re basically not allowed to voice your opposition then I’m just saying I don’t want to be around for that. Especially considering it will all amount to Evo still running the event and girls ultimately still participating in it and having a good time doing it.
So with that I will make my exit from the thread until inkblot posts and basically either closes thread or sets up rules where u can’t argue your stance. ** There really can’t be a thread for this event if people are going to fill it up with politics. Whether we agree with it or not the fact that something as physically undivided as chess holds a women’s league means that this is going to at least go down no matter what u say in this thread. This thread is just an environment that people who support this will never be able to post in without having to fight off an argument that ultimately will do no good. People say this tourney will do no good but it will definitely amount to more than politics in this thread where no real actions will result. ** At least no good other than telling women that they are stronger than the stigma of being a woman displayed to play a man’s game and won’t stop the tounament from taking place. I just don’t want to be around for another page of something that won’t amount to anything.
You’ve been on SRK long enough. You know what to do if you want something that serious to actually amount to something. If this was about women’s chess I would basically agree with you and say “yes you’re right deadeye”. Though if you want to stop the women’s chess tournament from taking place I might as well leave the room cuz you’re looking for something different than an argument whether you realize it or not. Something that won’t even happen.
OH AND SINCE I’M commited to not making another post in this thread after this lets just throw this in too. ** If the problem truly is simply “the seperation of the sexes” then there really is no problem because the sexes really aren’t being seperated**. They just have their own event that Evo has put together in a way and fashion that isn’t taking any time away from other Evo events. Evo isn’t going “men over here…women over there”. That’s serparation. Even if the women weren’t forced to enter the regular event it still wouldn’t be separation since they were JUST AS WELCOME to the regular event last year. Now it stands that the women are forced to participate in the regular event which ultimately will push them even harder to compete than women solely “selling out” to nothing but the female event. Even if it was a foreigners tournament where only people from outside of the US were allowed to compete there would still be the fact that those foreigners would have the right to not participate in the tournament should they feel the tournament is unnecessarily singling them out. Ryan Hart would still be able to participate in the main event and do the strongest thing he could do to cut the foreigners event out of future Evos by basically NOT PARTICIPATING in it.
** Besides women…you ultimately HAVE A CHOICE IN THE MATTER. What better way to make a stance than to just simply not participate in the event?** If you don’t believe in it no one’s forcing it down your throat to participate. Just do like the black people did and don’t ride the fucking bus. That’ll do more than arguing about something that people who don’t agree with you are going to support any ways. Especially considering this is way less of an issue and has way more good things that could come out of it than black people being designated to a certain part of a bus. Now I didn’t want to have to compare women to black people but ya’ll are getting it a whole lot better than black people in the 60’s. Real talk. Getting another chance to compete in a tournament amongst each other with how little good it will do is still heaps more good than black people in the back of a bus. At worst the women will just decide it’s not for them and the event won’t go on for another year. At best we’ll get to see a new side to Evo and be able to put a face to those women that want to visually represent Evo for at least one year without having to make top 8. Women still ultimately bring a unique aspect to SF and they should at least have a true introduction into the scene for one year. Even if women don’t feel that there’s enough of a stigma around them that needing a women’s event is necessary. Those women are the ones that are just not going to enter.
Now that’s a crazy stupid example I know but it fits with the women here. If the women truly feel like their seperation is going to place them out to look inferior and defies all logic then they better do their best to also participate in the regular event so they can be above that. Especially considering even if the women’s event were to get slashed before Evo they would still have the same things to prove. ** I’m just saying if you guys are trying to relate this to some kind of separation that isn’t good for women just like how separation hasn’t been good for most anything else in history…your actions are done better in ACTIONS.** That’s what black people did and that’s what women should do too. Just like politics…words don’t do much. I just don’t want the rest of this thread to be what I’ve basically now done is throw politics into a thread. I just simply won’t respond to the politics from here on out.
@ runaround…my issue is that even if you guys have a discussion if it’s about the politics of this event it is futile. Trust me YOU WILL NOT BE ARGUING MUCH LONGER.
For the people arguing against the commencement of this event, your best bet is to dissuade women from entering the event cuz that’s the best you’re gonna get. Getting the event to not come to place is not going to happen.
OK…now no more me for real this time. :lol:
I have busy day today, so I don’t think I’ll have time to be typing up responses every few hours. First, to super_yan, who seems to think nobody has convincingly showed there are ANY reasons for holding this tourney. No. There are reasons, as I tried to show in the previous thread, like promoting the game among females when the general perception is that it is male dominated and hostile to entry by females. Virtually all the women chess grandmasters in Europe support women’s chess for analogous reasons, even going so far as to contribute to organizing it. If a women’s division were really as personally degrading as people are making this out to be, then the collapse of women’s divisions in chess and go would have already occurred due to the extreme humiliation and despair of its players and organizers. I have yet to see this happen.
I think that continuing to push for either side of the argument from a normalizing ideological perspective, as if the question of whether this tournament is a good idea can be settled in an internet debate, shows anybody who continues to argue from such a stance to be naive to the extreme. But since I keep hearing these same arguments about “separation of the sexes,” as if the extant of people’s education in the efforts to combat human prejudice and bigotry began and ended with the US Civil Right’s movement and Martin Luther King’s “I Have a Dream” speech, I am happy to respond here.
As I said, I think there are good reasons to not have this event, and they all have to do with practicality and feasibility, as mentioned by scottind and pherai, who have actual experience with events like this on a smaller scale. Their question is, “Will this actually work?” Talking about anything else and we might as well be arguing about anything, like China’s role in the free market, the comparison of religion and science, or Obama’s healthcare policy. We’d have a lot of fun (yes, that word again,) but would it really matter to the EVO staff or anybody who is trying to get this to work?
My only purpose in continuing to respond to your posts, de4deye, is to show you that if we were to continue arguing this issue out on paper, the conclusions we would draw aren’t so clear-cut as you seem to believe. I’m not here to convince you, just to present a skeptic’s perspective.
As inkblot’s first post makes clear, the ostensible purpose of this tournament is to see real competition. If watching scrubs get destroyed isn’t “real” enough for you, then don’t lose hope yet. The tournament hasn’t happened yet, so remarking on the quality of the play at this point is pure speculation.
You seem to be incredulous that people can have fun entering a tournament they have no chance of winning. If that’s the case, then why do they keep coming, year after year? It’s already been more than ten years since B3; you’d think people would have learned by now what the odds are of the tournament winners not consisting exclusively of well-known names from established scenes in the US or abroad. If having fun at EVO had no intrinsic value whatsoever, then why have we seen the attendance at EVO continue to increase year after year?
Use of the word segregation is ridiculous beyond the value-neutral meaning of separation, or isolation; I see here a failure to distinguish means and ends. Segregation in racial and religious contexts were seen as an end, based on people’s knee-jerk gut reactions and xenophobia, which they then used carefully constructed abstract arguments to justify. (Sound familiar?) It was based on prejudice and intolerance to different people.
Contrast this with women’s chess tournaments in Europe (whose women’s rights movement is farther along, in some countries, than even the US.) The simple fact of the matter is that women grandmasters who are passionate about the game want to see more people play it, especially young girls who suffer from no natural handicaps and can really benefit if they start their training early. These women grandmasters are passionate about women’s chess because they know it provides the role-models for young girls just starting out. Although this issue is a controversial issue in the chess world on the internet, for the participants and the organizers, the benefits of women’s divisions far outweighs any harm it causes. Use of the word “segregation” in this context is about as meaningful a term here as remarking that jalapenos and and cucumbers are segregated at Subway’s before the sandwich maker “integrates” them into a sub.
I appreciate you not wanting to be overly dramatic on your own side, but if the standing of women in the FGC will not be permanently damaged by this event, then why on earth do you have a problem with even trying it for one year and seeing how it goes? EVO is trying to see if the standing of women will actually IMPROVE with a tourney like this. (Highly debatable; as inkblot remarked in the previous thread, it’s possible that because the FGC is not as far along culturally as board games like chess, a women’s tournament won’t be as successful here as it was over there.) But that would depend on actual RESULTS we see in the practical implementation, and not in clever arguments we find while typing out responses to each other on the internet. We reached the limits of what can be reasonably debated without speculation a LONG time ago.
Agreed. This is a thread for open discussion. However, as I remarked above, the limits of what can be settled in an internet debate have been reached already. If we are discussing this any further, it would be more helpful to the EVO staff if we were trying to keep our criticisms constructive. There are good arguments IN PRINCIPLE for either side here, and if all you want to do here is spend time typing out responses that don’t have any practical considerations in mind, I’m more than happy to oblige you (schedule permitting.)
Based on the way you phrased that, I don’t think you understand what a straw-man is. A straw-man, or a straw-man argument, is a misrepresentation of the opponent’s argument. As I remarked in my previous post, I think conflating women’s sports divisions with sexual, racial and religious persecution, in all its myriad forms, is confusing the issue, and yes, an example of a straw-man argument. It’s an example of people’s common sense leading them down the wrong path because of naivety and inexperience. Taking these kinds of “death by association” arguments into broad daylight on a public forum just reveals the flawed thinking process that created them in the first place. Logic, having no place in the formulation of most people’s common sense, I agree is central to revealing these erroneous assertions for what they are. More of it in this thread is definitely welcome by me.
To deviljin 01: actually, I rather enjoyed the finger exercise, and I think that the only reason why inkblot closed down the last thread is because people were coming into the thread parading the kind of misogyny and sexism that the invitational is supposed to be fighting. I read the post by Mr. Mamation that was deleted, and trust me, it was frivolous and offensive–I don’t think that it should have been deleted, but I’m not a mod and have never had experience being one. The impression I’m getting is that if we’re willing to type out thoughtful responses before we decide to submit something to this discussion, EVO staff is willing to at least listen.
You’re right, I didn’t catch your use of sarcasm there.
There is no way to know what direction this tournament will lead the FGC towards. Nobody has a crystal ball (one that works anyway,) and it remains to be seen whether Street Fighter is more like the FPS community (no women’s leagues,) or like chess and go (women’s tournaments galore.) Besides, as I stated in my reply to dea4eye, the implications for these events are larger than what you think. There is no way to know this early whether a women’s tournament at a big event like EVO will be a step forward or a step back, or if it just fizzles out without community support, a big zero in terms of what it adds to the grand scheme of things.
This isn’t the same as racial segregation, and if you think that it is, you’ll need waaaayyy more than bald assertions to support your position. As I’ve noted for the umpteenth time, women’s divisions in chess, where there are no natural handicaps between men and women except for a social handicap that deters women from starting the game as early as men, make sense because of the way these tournaments have been empirically observed to encourage people into the community. It’s only outrageous because you aren’t used to the idea yet. Your sense of moral outrage would be better spent practicing for the tournament, so that IF you meet Miyuki in the tournament, you’ll have a down-to-the-wire match that won’t make anybody ashamed of watching. I only suggested you concentrate on the prize money as a rhetorical weapon, for YOU to use against naysayers and detractors. Fight for the money, or fight for the honor–it doesn’t matter to me as long as you see the tournament worth fighting in. Since you don’t, well, it’s a free country–keep debating with me in this thread if you think your time isn’t better spent elsewhere.
Some people just can’t get enough of constantly spouting their opinion whether it be online/in person/on the maury povich show, etc. Sometimes its funny, or cool, but the constant back and forth going on in this thread is unforunately neither funny nor cool.
Let’s just hope the people who are/would be excited for an event like this still come to evo irregardless of the musings of a few dozen people on an internet website (I wonder how many of you guys that are STILL adamantly against this idea are even showing up for evo. Only time will tell, rofl)
I didn’t say “nobody has convincingly showed there are ANY reaons for holding the tourney”… I was posting directly to CuddlyVoodDoo. Some points have been made by other people, most of which I disagree with. If you want to talk about chess, I assume you read that WSJ article that was posted a couple months ago regarding the reasons the FIDE has those titles, how they’re sexist, and why some people want/don’t want them, etc. It’s funny you bring that up because it parallels this situation in many ways. Yes, a lot of prominent GMs and IMs support the segregated (yeah I said segregated I’m sorry if you hate us using that word but that IS what it is) titles and tournaments, for various reasons… the main one being to promote girls to play. The thing is, this is a REALLY old idea, just because it’s going on still, doesn’t mean it’s still a good idea or that it’s okay. Also, a -lot- of women chess players and just plain women are against this. Female GM titles are easier to achieve than male titles… do you think giving handouts to female chess players is really going to make them better? NO. It hasn’t. Men are still dominating the chess scene in both numbers and skill.
Also, again about chess since you brought it up. A lot of women in that community gain fame based on how attractive they are. One actually posed nude for a magazine cover, and others have “chess sex symbol” battles. This I find disgusting and honestly I’m glad it hasn’t got to that point in the FGC. But anyway… using the global chess community as an example is a bad idea since I really don’t think following their path would be the best for this community.
Side note/story: When I was little my dad, a chess expert, tried getting me to play competitively. I liked the game but wasn’t competitive enough to want to do anything like that. I asked him about girls playing chess and he told me there were a bunch of pros all over the world. He mentioned Judith Polgar, who is by far the best female chess player in existence, who, funnily enough, has never competed for any female titles. He told me if I want to have fun I should play whoever I want to, but if I want to get good I have to play with whoever I have to. Which is everybody, not just women.
A step towards segeregation is always a step backward in my book. So I’m pretty sure which direction this is going.
Well hey thanks for making any real argument how it isn’t similar. <— by the way that was sarcasm again. I stated examples, comparisons, and reasons why it seems very much the same and is equally offensive and ridiculous. Please tell me how it isn’t. I have blue eyes, you might not… I’m certain less blue eyed people play in the FGC community than brown-eyed people… and it’d be nice to have more blue-eyed people in the community because they fucking rock. Right now since the blue-eyed people are fewer in numbers, their best people aren’t at the level as the best brown-eyed people. We should give them their own tournament so more blue-eyed people will come play here. Okay everything I said about blue/brown eyed people is probably true (cuz there are just less of us). This idea is ridiculous, no? Replace “blue eyed person” with “female” and you have this tournament. Please explain to me how this is so different, because you didn’t really in your last post. Honestly your username could not possibly be more appropriate for the posts you make in this thread.
Also, for the love of God stop bringing up women’s chess as if it’s completely acceptable. A LOT of people have a problem with it if you didn’t know, and since civil rights are moving forward for women (kind of), people are trying to get rid of it, and women’s tournaments have been declining. Also, you’re not a woman… stop pretending you know how it feels to be singled out for it.
Trust me I don’t have all the time in the world to do this. I figure I’ll stop making posts when girls (as well as guys) stop PMing and IMing me telling me how awesome I am for sharing the same feelings they do towards this and having the balls and spending the time to make the argument for it. ;[
xcfrisco: This is a forum. Forum = an assembly, meeting place, television program, etc., for the discussion of questions of public interest. <-- stole from dictionary. This is a discussion. The more people who add to it the better. The more people who add complete waste-of-space comments with no purpose like yours, the worse.
Edit: another note… anyone who is saying that it’s completely pointless to argue about this because Evo staff wont change their minds is wrong. Remember the initial thread? EVERYONE bitched about it, and now they changed it to this format, which is a little more acceptable. Both actions and words are needed for change… not just actions.
Lots of opinions on this it seems, well… two opinions but lots of talking. I wonder if EVO staff consulted any female gamers before deciding on this, or if it was just some marketing guy’s brilliant idea. Anyways, with such controversy this has become a definite must-see.
The more people that add to what exactly?
A.) I think the ssf4 female tournament is a great idea.
B.) I think the ssf4 female tournament is a terrible idea.
C.) I don’t care
I haven’t seen anything being “added” since about the first 20 posts of the very first thread.
And that first thread was largely utter garbage. I’m not sure you can even say a thread that was 99% spam brought about any changes at all (I’d be really surprised if the Cannons wasted their time wading through all that). This was probably the idea all along, I mean, the official website never explicitly said (and still doesn’t to my knowledge) what the rules for entering the female ssf4 tourney were until this FAQ was made.
I’m with DevilJin on this one. And I don’t see how my post that supports this idea has any more or less “purpose” than your tl:dr tirades about how much you don’t like the idea of an exclusively female ssf4 tourney that YOU DONT HAVE TO ENTER (no one does!). Seriously, just chill out. lol