Actually, the inpin was what I was hearing about not working with digital pads. Regardless, I never see any of those out and about, and I already got this thing…
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/5167/img0105ic3.jpg
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4127/img0106rq1.jpg
pics aren’t the greatest but it gives you a estimate on the size. Its a tiny switch, was just somewhere in the bin at radioshack listed as a dpdt switch. As you can see i have recessed it so that I can switch the button but its not sticking out. I just have no reason to wire up another pcb since no one i know has ps3!
I’ll post pictures as soon as I get a 360 pad, but I think I already have the space for it, after switching the Hori PCB for a PS1 DS model H PCB. Guess I’ll have to get an original MS wired pad, but it’s not that bad, as it has only 2 grounds; one for the triggers and one “common” for everything else, and I wouldn’t be using triggers at all.
There’s so much useful information in here and I’ll probably be back here next month when search comes back. For now, I’m tagging and bookmarking.
Also I’m about to receive a wired MS 360 pad with all the disconnects already on them. How hard would it be to use this and a PSone PCB for my arcade stick?
Hey fellow SRKers. Just finished up my first attempt at a dual PCB mod, without much success and figured I’d get your 2 cents. Problem is that the wiring is an absolute mess at the moment (need to neaten it tomorrow) so I’m going to describe the process as much as I can in hopes that you guys can catch some things I might have missed. I’ll either edit or post again with photos tomorrow (ie not 3AM) since I imagine my descriptions will leave much to be desired.
1.) I’m using an Xbox 360 SF4 Fightstick (SE) as the base.
2.) I’m using what slagcoin.com refers to as an Early Dual Shock 2 A with Resistor for the PS2 PCB. I’ve removed the PCB itself, leaving the transfer sheet (ie the green overlay sheet inside the controller) attached, but removed it from the plastic frame. I also trimmed the wires connecting the PCB to the rumble motors. (While I know a PS1 digital pad is recommended, I had a spare Dual Shock 2 laying around that I figure I’d use rather than buy a new controller for this)
First and foremost, I soldered a wire between the +5V on the 360 PCB to the 3.3V on the PS2 PCB. Then I connected the GND points on both the PS2 PCB and the 360 PCB. (Note on the 360 PCB, i didn’t connect directly to the wires, but rather to the solder nubs on the bottom of the board. I couldn’t see any other way to access the 5V and GND on the 360 PCB. I didn’t connect anything to the S-GND point on the 360 board, as i really wasn’t sure exactly what it was.
As we probably all know, each button on the stick is connected to the main row with 2 wires. One is always connected to ground, and the other sends the input for the button. I soldered wires coming off of each not-ground wire, with the intent of these going into the PS2 PCB. I tested the solders using a multimeter to make sure there was connectivity, which there was.
After this long and fun process, I went to the joystick itself. I soldered wires directly to the copper plates shown here : http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/Ryebreadstick/Forums/SanwaStickSolder.png
At this point, it seemed like all soldering was done, and all that was left was to simply plug each wire into it’s corresponding pin on the PS2 PCB. As this was (as far as I can tell) an Early DS2A with Resistor, I attempted the solderless solution as seen on Slagcoin.com
(also, http://slagcoin.com/joystick/pcb_diagrams/ps2_diagram1.jpg was the image I used for reference on pins)
Of those pins, I connected the wires for R2, R1, Triangle, Circle, X, Square, Start, Select, Right, Down, Left, Up, L1, and L2.
I left the pins for Resistor, Common, Common (2nd) and Analog alone and empty, as i didn’t have anything on the stick i felt corresponded to them. (Could this have been a mistake?)
Everything was wired up, and I figured to see if it’d at least run on the 360. I plug it in, press the Xbox guide button to turn on the 360, nothing happens. Turn on my 360 manually, no joystick found. (At this point i was really freaking out about possibly having destroyed my stick. T_T )
Unplugged the USB cable, replugged it in, and turned the xbox on manually. This time, the xbox powers on, sees the joystick as first controller, but then starts going berserk, hitting (what seemed like) every direction and every button in sequence. Not exactly the best reaction, but better than a completely dead stick.
Trying to think of a quick solution, I open up the stick and unplug all wires from the PS2 PCB. (So note at this point, it’s still connected via power to the 360 PCB) Turn the 360 back on, and the joystick acts as normal. (With the exception of the guide button not working, and Right Trigger apparently pressing both Start, AND right trigger) I even test with SF4, which works like a charm. (I’m guessing the RT and Start problem may be due to loose wires from the PS2 PCB touching)
That said, I’ve come to the conclusion that something is going on when i plug the wires into the PS2 PCB, and that something in my wiring has caused the guide button to become non-responsive. (Thus narrowing down my problem) I figure after a decent night’s rest I’ll try going back at it tomorrow, hopefully eliminating the problem or at least figuring out the source for sure.
Also, if you guys for one reason or another think the whole problem comes from using a Dual Shock 2 (for one reason or another) then I figure i’d be willing to just pick up a cheap digital pad on ebay.
That said, I apologize once again for a lack of photos (I can take some if you guys think that would help at all) but I wanted to get this posted before hitting the hay, in hopes of possible answers come morning. Any and all thoughts + solutions to this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
I have no idea about DS2, I did it with a digital ps1 sony pad.
did you check how the ps2 pad hack was working ALONE too ? how did that go ?
I’m also thinking the DS2 is the culprit. Has anyone successfully used those in a dual PCB stick? I haven’t seen it before if they have.
slagcoin’s diagram seems pretty clear that its not a common ground pad. Not common ground, dual pcb setup no workie.
Yeah, i’ve tested the controller itself. worked great up until i cannibalized it for this. Not sure what you mean about testing the padhack alone though.
Ah, I must have missed the DS2 being not common ground. (Which would explain why everyone always recommends the PS1 digital pad) That would also explain why i’d never seen anyone else use DS2 for a board. (i’m guessing the guide is there if that’s the only PCB, etc) On that note, is the PS1 digital pad common ground?
Last, I apologize for a noobish question, but how exactly do you tell if a board is common ground?
I meant tested once the wire are soldered on the pad/once the pad is hacked.
anyway Toodles gave you the answer, it won’t work like that for a dual pcbmod.
yes the ps1 sony digital pad is common ground, I told you I did so just above.
common ground = the ground is shared between all ground connections
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8941/img0107sl9.jpg
All wired up and ready to go for a second PCB/Cthulu. Too bad I have no use for it… because it would look so pretty.
Loving the USB jack mounted at the top, so much nicer
Hey Toodles or anyone else who knows, does the official MS 360 wired pad have a common ground. All the wires have already been soldered on. If not, is there any way at all to still do a dual pcb mod? How so?
Thanks in advance and thanks for having this great thread srk.
–cut long winded problem that was solved on own–
To sum up my findings and solution to the problem folks, let’s always remember to use a multimeter and figure out what copper plates on a joystick tie in to which pins. Then we know exactly which plates to solder into for directions. >.>
Namco Stick and MS360 wired
Hey guys I hope you can help me, i am a bit at loss here.
I’m trying to dualmod my namco arcade stick with an ms360 pad.
I have the diagram for the mspad from slagcoin, but i don’t have one for the namco.
It is not really a problem, but i don’t know where to solder the 5V from the ms pad to.
I marked the connections where i think the 3.3V is located
I read that it is pretty tiresome to dualmod the original ms360pad,
because you have to solder every ground and signal to the corresponding buttons on the other pcb.
But I don’t really understand how I can seperate the 360 grounds from the common ground on the namco stick.
Help please. I’m getting SFIV tomorrow or tuesday and I can’t stand to play with the 360 pad.
I thought a lil bit about my problem and came up with a possible solution.
The problem is that the common ground irritates the ms360 common line. So why not break the common ground apart?
I’d resolder the buttons so that the common ground for the ps1 can be switched off. Is this possible? I don’t want to buy mad catz fighting sticks or something, I just bought this ms360pad and want to make it work without spending alot more.
I have the ms360 pad early version
Won’t work.
why not? please help me Toodles
Hey Guys,
bit of confusion here
i want just on pcb [wired 360] in my hrap2, i think its the late version
hrap 2 directional stick has 5 wires, which is ground, where does it go?
each button has 2 wires, where as i thought hrap 2 had a common ground? if one wire goes to signal where does other go?
i dont have a multimeter, if i posted pics of pcb would ppl be able to help?
thanks
Well, let’s start with the easy parts. How will your switch disconnect the trace connecting one half of every direction/button on the PSX pad together?
Before going any further, check and doublecheck that your 360 pad is common ground.
Black one, usually.
It does. Ground. Half of the wires, one for each color, are all connected together where they’re soldered to the board.
To figure out which is which requires a multimeter, or popping the pcb and all of the switches out and eyeballing it.
Multimeter’s are cheap and very useful. You should consider getting one.