It wont be till after evo till you see a large number of lightning loopers, It takes a while to get zeros movement down and lightning loop takes a bit of practice, HOPE TO GOD at EVo12 it isnt around hella, Capcom would see it and nerf the SHIT out of it.
that’s what I hate about capcom, they see something potentially good and they go “nope, you can’t play like that or the kids will complain” so they take it out.
Like, Dante didnt even do something really revelant in vanilla, he was very strong, probably top 3, but no Dante player did anything game breaking and the only nerf he really needed was the hammer thing. or Makoto in AE, she wasn’t even that dominant except for Shiro which he didnt make top 8 at evo anyways.
Capcom should re-think their strategies and balance issues, nerf what’s abusable and that doesnt requiere great execution/knowledge and make the things that cost EFFORT and TIME in.
for me the best cheracter is wesker i dont play with him but the pro players says that he is the one
The difficulty or lack thereof involved in a particular combo shouldn’t be a factor if its worthy of a patch or not. Something is either abusable, or its not. Execution barrier isn’t a valid way to evaluate a character’s true tier position, nor should it be a valid way to decide if a combo or series of setups is “broken”.
I’d like to rescind my last comment about rekkoha being irrelevant. Right before ringing in the new year, I was able to find a new technique to utilize it as a combo ender (inspired by my MvC2 roots). Tune in tonight
Oh GAWD! I’m gonna have to catch the archive, 4:40am here and I’m about to pass out x_x
Thats why I am scared for zero =(.
the lightning loop isnt that hard, the only reason it took my at least a week is because i dont have much time to practice. if i actually had time it wouldve taken 2 days max. but yea i really hope they dont nerf it. but you know how capcom is these days, if people complain then they change it. and it sucks because half the people who complain have no idea what they are talking about, like when ultimate came out and it seemed like 90% of the community was bitching about wesker and saying he needed to be nerfed, i was like “he was already nerfed from vanilla, learn how to play around him” but people still bitch, unless his gun loop is op and people start abusing it at tourneys, i hope they dont nerf wesker.
/rant
Odds are zero will probably get nerfed some next patch, and the loop will probably be gone, due to the salt mining industries. I wonder why they even gave him that lightening in the corner buff in the first place…
I don’t think i’ve ever seen any Zero in a tournament or match ever pull off a lightning loop. Not Nini, not Killer Kai, not Marn, Jwong, the list goes on and on. Its so efficient and so safe but I just can’t see why no ones doing it. I’m sure its doable and practical but I do have to wonder why all these Zeros opt for DHCs instead.
I’m sure i’ll start seeing it a lot more in upcoming tournaments as apparently RTL is easier in Ultimate and its early in its life, and obviously its practical as I see Seismo loops all the time which are probably a bit harder to do than LLoops. Just makes me wonder why a lot of these people that spout about how important efficiency and consistency are, are the same people that don’t use LLoop, even if they are the kind of people that have ridiculous execution, not that i’m trying to call anyone out, its just interesting.
People don’t opt for lightning loop because no matter how good and practical it is, the combo is still hard and very “droppable”
If a simple DHC will do the job for the cost of one more meter spent, people tend to think it’s not worth the risk.
As I said before, way to go and nerf zero is nerf his maximum damage scaling on specials.
the character is strong, but his damage is just insane.
^ Nail on the head really, you gotta weigh up so many factors.
Likeliness of dropping
Likeliness of that drop to cost you big time
Zero builds so much meter, do you REALLY want to save it or go for the sure kill?
Which characters actually NEED to be RTL’d (IMO it’s really only the 1.2m and above chars)
Tonnes of other shit, but if you want to see a Zero winning a tournament with RTL check the archive for Red Fight District back in October. If I remember correctly a Swedish player called Bubblan won that and I remember him throwing out a lot of RTL.
That said, I think I’m only gonna go for RTL against 1.2m characters and always after a Chaotic Flame/ Million Dollar DHC (it’s just so much easier to do for some reason, got like a 9/10 chance of landing it successfully). It’s easiest to do on 1.2m characters for one thing, it’s easy to get atleast a bit of chip or a hit on them before the whole combo itself (thus reducing how much damage is actually required of the combo too).
Marn did it at a major in vanilla. Not sure which - might’ve been EVO or a tourny around that time.
But like others have said, it’s not worth the risk if you can just use another meter for a kill. Now if the other guy is annoying or simply pissing you off and you wanna style of em’, go for broke.
I’m appaled at the fact that such a simple ass thread made it to 4 pages.
I never had a reason to do the lightning loop before in vanilla when I had guaranteed kills off of zero/task dhcs. In this game, there’s more of a reason for me to do it if I only want to use one bar, but my new zero task dhc I started doing already does close to a million at the net cost of a quarter bar so… O_O
I’ll definitely go for it more in this game. But I still have even more practical options
I think it was ncr and he dropped rtl halfway through.
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This. I don’t see the use of this thread at all. This is discussion that has already taken place (and is currently taken place) in the balance thread. No need for a thread like this here.
If the next char has a weak DHC. Lightning loop is the way to go really.
Also Viscant said he thinks Zero is the best character in the game too #justsayin’
It was at EVO. It was partial, as he messed it up a little early in the loop.
Well, the thread kinda went off-topic after like page 2, lol.
Its our off topic zero thread basically lol…
But as a side note, does marn still play zero? I haven’t seen him post on the zero forums since vanilla release. I find it funny how most “top” zero users dont post here or even contribute…
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