Zangief General Thread: Our Russian Skies Are Protected

having a hard time in gold with gief he doesnt have enough tools to work with only instant that we have is the super thats it and im pretty sure every one ios having a hard time with zoners

Andoru upload some of your replays so we can watch your play. I am finding that opponents in the 4000-6000 range are actually easier and more fun to play against than bronze and silver players.

I don’t know how most of you guys play or the studying you do outside of the game so comparisons between experience is tough. I’m starting to get very comfortable with the game and seeing the opponent’s moves as frame data now. Punishing becomes much easier and frame traps aren’t so scary. I don’t know how much this all changes at the 7000+ LP ranks or at tournament levels though. What is holding me back right now is certain bad matchups that I need more practice with, specifically Birdie and Nash.

try to look for my replays on CFN andoru87 dont really have time uploading them when im online since im always playing when im at home no time to upload unless i do it in my sleep but hopefully it succeeds uploading will try to post them here but for the meantime check my replays i’ll add my matches on my replay list

one big factor thats holding me back is not having an arcade stick i miss like 1 out of 5 spd as punish also cant do a proper spd while walking without the risk of jumping then raging at wall beside me out of frustration hehehe

OK cool I’ll check you out thanks

soon as I get home i’ll add more matches on my replay list

SnakeEyez was melted yesterday :s
SFV shittly Zangief can never contribute in big tournament

It was cool to finally meet chief in person. We both put in work at Texas showdown. I’d say we surprised people since if snake isn’t at an event noone usually expects a Gief to do much

So you checked my replays yet?

I hope some comrade here can search for my video though my game ID: **Geminiwai
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To give me some opinion with my Gief,
Please kindly provide me some suggestion how I can get better, thanks dude!

Yeah. That’s what it looks like in SFV

Either Capcom completely fucked up the risk/reward ratio of grapplers, or

no one is playing Big Z ā€œcorrectlyā€ at high level. And that means, obeying the speed limits, stop signs and red traffic lights.

At first, we didn’t know whether he would return in V. And then, we’re presented with this ā€œweakenedā€ Red **Dead **Cyclone, a sad pillar of what he once was.

Congratulations to everyone who’s still playing such

Gief. RESPECT.

I feel Alex Valle didn’t play the match-up against Snake Eyez properly, and now Snake Eyez isn’t playing the match up properly against Bon Chan. Your thoughts?

Thanks man, it was nice meeting you too. You were so beast on stream.

I’ll be checking your fights.

The problem is not that gief lacks tools, it is that he is not complete.
When you play a matchup like Gief vs Sim you immediately think Sims standing Jab, Teleport, ect are too good. then when you pick Sim and you play a more complete character like Ryu you see sims holes.
Even a character that shits on us like Nash has some big holes in his game to balance him out. The game is very balanced just gief is bad. No other character has BAD 7-3s like him but this is what we are going to have to deal with. I am not concerned with matchups like Birdie(6-4) as i feel like the advantage is slight and a competent player can still win against a like skill player.

Until buffs are made the only advise that make sense is to have a good secondary in the Chun, Nash, and Sim matchups. As much as it pains me to say it these matchups are way too uphill to even try when you get to high level. Every other matchup in the game i feel is winnable(even the 6-4s) and i will keep playing gief.

What are some potential secondaries for us?

There are several

Chun
Ryu
Cammy
Nacalli
Nash
R Mika
Karin
Ken

everyone of these characters can hang with Chun, Sim, or Nash. Sim would not be a great choice as i think he loses to Chun, Cammy and Nash.

Guile as a secondary for me for Chun, Sim, Nash, and Gief.

nobody wants to use alex?

Thanks buddies
Please give me some suggestions and how you feel about my gief =)

What happens when you spend enough time with a secondary (without the insane frustration)? I have a feeling if most gief players have ā€œsecondaries,ā€ they’ll get promoted to being your mains very, very quickly.

If its flat out required to have a secondary vs. 1/4 of the roster, the character is inherently flawed and should not be played for competitive purposes.

Again, if your secondary can handle your bad matchups and more, any time you spend with gief is time taken away from a viable character. Worse yet, time spent with a secondary is time spent away from gief, who, as we all know, requires you to be on your ā€œAā€ game at all times.

Its not worth it.

Capcom never able to design a good grabber
In SFIV, Thawk, Hakan, Hugo and suck characters, Gief may be the best grabber in SFIV, but still so much terrible/impossible matchup
In SFV, the situation is ever worse than SFIV, Mika, Alex, Gief, Laura are the worst 4 characters, the 5th is F.A.N.G
It is a joke that all grab based characters are now the worst.

On the other side, i think Snake’s is really in a terrible condition/status yesterday.
Let us take a look again on the Bonchan fight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAWJgmDgTe8

WTF, a RBG in the beginning, it MUST be a execution error.
In 2:30, Snake didn’t kill bonchan even he successfully land a VT on Ryu’s fireball, this is also a huge and unacceptable mistake;
which such mistake even should not exist in normal level gameplays!!
At 3:03, Snake throw out his VT without reason.
Finally he really looks like giving up the game.

A execution error on match beginning (RBG) is so rarely to be seen, which means snake is really not in good condition that day.
Snake’s face looks really bad and seems sick :o

I hope he can take a rest and contribute in the incoming days.

Alex Valle is OK, he didn’t make any big mistake, he was beaten by Snake technically.

Evan, If you have time, please also check my game history and give some suggestion to my gief.
I think you can really help me a lot as you always a pro and detail minded player.