You Cannot Dodge What You Cannot See: Unblockable

houzi22 · April 30, 2012, 8:36pm

I think I uploaded these a long time ago somewhere, but I’ll upload them again just in case.

LK Gekiro covers slightly more distance than crane cr.HK, but is 3 frames longer. When interchanging between two moves, go lower to replace into LK Gekiro, and higher to replace into cr.HK. Therefore, you cannot replace LK Gekiro when the setup requires highest juggle.

= HK Gekiro finish setups =

Unblockables-

Akuma1: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - MK Oga - juggle med (unblockable if his head is on level with Gen’s head)
Blanka: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - LK Oga - juggle high (unblockable if Gen kicks his ass)
Dudley: TC2 xx HK Gekiro - wait a few frames - cr.HK whiff - MK Oga - juggle med-high (unblockable if you kick right above his waist)
Evil Ryu: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - MK Oga - juggle med (unblockable if his head is on level with Gen’s head)
Fei Long: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - LK Gekiro whiff - MK Oga - juggle low (unblockable if kicking leg overlaps his face)
Gief: TC2 xx HK Gekiro - MK Oga - juggle med-high gekiro (unblockable if your finishing kick is kicking his elbow or a bit above. Timing is pretty lenient)
Gouken: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - wait several frames - cr.HK whiff - MK Oga - juggle med-high (unblockable if Gen kicks his belt)
Guy: TC2 xx HK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - MK Oga - juggle low (unblockable if Gen’s kicking leg conceals Guy’s face, but not hair)
Hakan: TC2 xx HK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - MK Oga - juggle low-med (unblockable if Gen’s kicking foot is concealed by Hakan’s shoulder)
Ibuki: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - LK Oga - juggle high (unblockable if done as high as possible)
Juri: TC2 xx HK Gekiro - LK Oga - juggle low-med (unblockable if only the lower half of her face + neck overlaps with your kicking leg. Her upper half of the face is still visible)
Ken: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - MK Oga - juggle med (unblockable if his head on level with Gen’s head)
Makoto: TC2 xx HK Gekiro - LK Oga - juggle med (unblockable if Makoto’s head ison level with Gen’s head or a pixel above)
Oni: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - MK Oga - juggle med (unblockable if his head is on level with Gen’s head)
Rufus: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - LK Gekiro whiff - MK Oga - juggle high (unblockable when done as high as possible)
Ryu: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - MK Oga - juggle med (unblockable if his head on level with Gen’s head)
Sakura: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - wait a few frames - cr.HK whiff - MK Oga - juggle low-med (unblockable if Gen kicks her head)
Seth: TC2 xx HK Gekiro - cr.HK whiff - MK Oga - juggle high (unblockable if Gen kicks his ankle)
T.Hawk: TC2 xx HK Gekiro - LK Oga - juggle high (unblockable, launch him high up to the sky)
Viper: st.HP xx HK Gekiro - LK Oga - juggle wherever you damn want (unblockable. Lenient. Just kick anywhere between her neck and the midsection)

The spacing is tight, but they’re relatively easy. There are much harder setups for some other characters; in fact they are so difficult to space that it’s not worth doing them.

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houzi22 · April 30, 2012, 8:50pm

Amazing Summary…
By the way ,have you got any other metod for unblockable?
As hk gekiro is really hard to use with half of the character… like ibuki ryu sakura …
According to your tips, whiffing the normals or specials should be as qucikly as you can ??

street11 · April 30, 2012, 8:59pm

Not rly. I can find a few from forward throw but I dont have the disc right now. Spacing is mostly the same after FADC except for Gouken, and there is a setup against Fuerte only after FADC.

Whiffing cr.HK is pretty lenient (about 4 or 5 frame window I reckon) and there is no need for plink. Actually, you end up whiffing on some casts if you do it frame perfect, or you get uncrouchable crossups. Gekiro whiffing can be done frame perfect. However, do not try to delay cr.HK consciously cuz that will screw the set up. Simply do it after you land from Gekiro.

houzi22 · April 30, 2012, 9:07pm

“juggle hight med low” means the position of gekiro finish?
I am not sure why does gekiro whiffing is so easy. Does the input system allow a big window for input the gekiro after the recovery gekiro? Just like the dash whiffing after throw??

street11 · April 30, 2012, 10:31pm

Yes. Let’s take Ryu for example; if I say (unblockable if his head on level with Gen’s head), it means if you hit him with the finishing kick, pause right away, and if you can see both heads at the same height, you got the requirement for the unblockable.

No idea about Gekiro whiffing

ugo_2u · May 1, 2012, 1:37am

Man the timing is so hard lol, has anyone tried this online?

houzi22 · May 1, 2012, 8:15am

I have try to use the standing unblockable aganist Dudley. Like you say ,the timing for oga is a window not a spot. Tks…

ugo_2u · May 1, 2012, 8:53am

Honda’s hitbox/hurtbox needs nerfing. its super wierd. pls do we have a mixups thread? can anyone refer me? thanks

houzi22 · May 1, 2012, 6:16pm

After test several hours, My feeling:
s.hp hk gekiro compare with c.lk c.lp s.hp hk gekiro makes the different distane. Some times it should be slower the melody for the gekiro.

ugo_2u · May 18, 2012, 1:34am

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shitenketsu, ex far oga, the oga should not be too early or it will just be a cross up, aim to hit at Ryu head to be unblockable

houzi22 · May 20, 2012, 4:43am

Using the technique from street11, I made a short vedio.
*Using cr hp pling lk gekiro(crouching kara lk gekiro) will let this unblockale easier.

ugo_2u · May 26, 2012, 2:01am

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All these except for the first setup are soft unblockables and can be crouched. I focused mainly on Gen oga for his one as I have made vids for other non oga unblockables for Ibuki

Forward Throw in the corner meaty oga ceiling drop
Forward Throw, instant crane cHK, light oga far kick
Mantis Backthrow, slight delay medium oga far kick
TC2 exHands sweep, slight delay light kick oga
HK gekiro, juggle high, light oga.
Shitenketsu, walk forward medium oga
Teiga, walk forward light oga
Jyakoha, walk forward medium oga

On a side note,the following are cross ups only

Zetsuei light oga
Jyakoha delayed medium oga

ugo_2u · May 28, 2012, 4:53pm

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Jyakoha, instant teiga on wake up.
HK gekiro juggle high, light oga (strict timing)
(Corner only)TC2 Super sweep, instant Heavy Oga (not
frame perfect)
Crumple, crance cLK sweep, medium Oga
TC2 Super sweep, medium oga

Click on the link below to download footsie guide by maj in PDF format if you need to brush up on footsies.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30414642/footsie%20guide.pdf

ugo_2u · June 13, 2012, 1:40am

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Hard gekiro juggle low, wiff crane cHK medium oga, must be done quickly or it wont even cross up
Its a safe jump and lands in front, Ryu cannot reversal uppercut it lol!

ugo_2u · June 13, 2012, 1:51am

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ugo_2u · June 13, 2012, 11:34am

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Schiff · June 13, 2012, 3:15pm

Good job as usual just one piece of advice: when you have the time, please edit the very first post of this thread with just text, saying what you have found so far…otherwise new players will be lost, going randomly through all the videos

ugo_2u · June 13, 2012, 7:01pm

will do my best to do that

ugo_2u · June 14, 2012, 2:44am

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ugo_2u · June 14, 2012, 1:31pm

its also possible to combo hands into sweep (not ex) when honda is crouching in the corner,jump MK, sMP sMK hands sweep it doesnt work when he is standing lol. still working on oga setups for honda. its very difficult.