Yang Q&A: Ask simple questions here!

[HNIC_Mike]

Between where lk dk hits and the outside of st.hk I don’t love my ground aa options. Is this normal?

i guess so. far jumps are tricky for yang to deal with if they have a move that beats far mk

[gsxtacy]

Between where lk dk hits and the outside of st.hk I don’t love my ground aa options. Is this normal?

i guess so. far jumps are tricky for yang to deal with if they have a move that beats far mk

launcher covers those areas very well in my opinion…just takes practice

[The_Breaker]

cst.MK doesn’t activate that far out.

If someone can put you in a spot where far MK is actually losing (instead of say, whiffing/getting stuffed by late/early dive kick-like moves) it is kinda hard to deal with. I try to meet them air to air with j.HP if I can.

[gsxtacy]

cst.MK doesn’t activate that far out.

If someone can put you in a spot where far MK is actually losing (instead of say, whiffing/getting stuffed by late/early dive kick-like moves) it is kinda hard to deal with. I try to meet them air to air with j.HP if I can.

im saying…close st.mk covers his foot and back to almost behind his head if timed right…dp covers in front of that and far st.mk covers a bit further then that. Its a timing thing.

[The_Breaker]

…and I’m saying you can’t use a close activation normal if he isn’t close. cst.MK is good for people who try to jump on top of you. Most of the time you can’t use cst.MK against an attack that clips fst.MK from farther out. Because that attack will hit you before Yang is even allowed to use close normals.

(edit: well there are exceptions, but…)

[East]

Neutral jump hp or hk.

[GnW101]

Does any1 use jump back mp when air 2 airing

[gsxtacy]

…and I’m saying you can’t use a close activation normal if he isn’t close. cst.MK is good for people who try to jump on top of you. Most of the time you can’t use cst.MK against an attack that clips fst.MK from farther out. Because that attack will hit you before Yang is even allowed to use close normals.

(edit: well there are exceptions, but…)

i know what youre saying…i was explaining the ranges in which what normal (or dp) covers

[Prof]

I do use j.hk and such. Swhy I specified grounded. Does far mk and cs mk usually win? I get stuffed a lot. Or terrible trades. Been meaning to look at the boxes.

[The_Breaker]

fst.MK is usually good at it’s effective range. Some characters have options against it though which is when things get hairy.

cst.MK is great (also his most damaging AA option aside from straight U1) but it’s got the close only thing. So if you misjudge the distance you get fucked cuz you get fst.MK.

In an ideal world, fst.MK would cover the ranges up until cst.MK works…but…yeah.

[Dustlooper]

Have a Sakura j.hp you at the range inbetween where you could cl.mk and where you can s.hk. Your options are pretty bad. Granted, there’s nothing wrong with blocking.

[Prof]

I main Claw so I know the virtues of good blocking (and good jump ins), but nobody wants to be -a buttload on block with Sak in their face if they can get damage and an air reset instead.

[otori]

I just focus backdash. I’m kinda thorn on the value of this habit though.

Imo yang’s strongest position is just exactly where cl.mk works best.

[HNIC_Mike]

close mk trades are ok. you still get to combo roll kick at the very least so its going to be in your favor

i hate when far mk gets pooped on by gief jump HP or sak jump HP

[ranix]

Can someone describe to me some of Yang’s OS’s and how to perform them? I’m a scrub ._.

Doing the standard shit here, so nothing fancy.

j.hp OS MK roll kick
j.hp OS U2
** or just os db hk for sweep os with guard if they do a reversal
also when you finish your roll kick or u2 motion always finish with BD+kick or db+ 3 kick. this way it will put guard if they do a 4f or more reversal and do the u2/ roll kick if they back dash
**

Jump in, put in whatever input (DP, U2) before you hit the ground. If the j.hp hits, your OS will not come out. If the j.hp is blocked, your OS will not come out. If your j.hp misses (they FA, backdash, jump back, teleport) the OS comes out and you catch them with your roll kick or U2. You can do this with a few other options (i.e, sweep, U1, dash) if backdashes are shorter. Akuma’s TP beats this, btw.

cr.lk, cr.lk OS cr.hk

Block string with cr.lk, cr.lk. You can press cr.lk+cr.hk after the first cr.lk to OS. If the cr.lk hits or is blocked, no OS shows up. If the cr.lk would whiff (i.e, backdashing), cr.hk comes out.

you can do this OS but not the way you are saying. s cr lk can not be canceled by another cr lk, you have to use only timing and do cr lk, cr hk, cr lk. pressing cr hk just during the extra block stun frame than hiting on guard provide.
if you want to use a cancel OS you can use cr lp , cr lp+hk or cr lp , cr lk+hk. this OS ill work as you explained it as you can cancel cr lp with another cr lp or cr lk. you can also do cr lp rekka with lp with a slow timing. if the opponent back dash the cr lp you will do the lp rekka and comfirm hit , else it will be cr lp st lp on guard. that your option against a back dash

cr.lp OS dash, command throw

Yang’s command throw is scary, and if you set up enough pressure, you can force some opponents to backdash out of your pressure. Hit cr.lp and immediately dash in the middle of your cr.lp animation, then input command grab. If the cr.lp hits or is blocked, you’ll do a tick throw. If you whiff the cr.lp, Yang will dash and then command grab.

**for me this os is strange… if you forward dash after the cr lp, you will be at disadvantage. i will not consider this os as one to use consitently but more like a trick one **

Quick note: the prior two OSes are good on a safe jump. You can safe jump, delay your OS, and use the initial cr.lk (subsitute cr.lp for cr.lk in the 3rd OS) as a command grab. This would look like you’re safe jumping, pausing, then doing the OS. This would catch wake-up reversals and wake-up throws. If you do this option, we actually get a cool new option. We get this option because we’re no longer hitting our normals relatively meaty, so neutral jumping is an option. cr.lp, OS dash, command throw will also catch neutral jumps. The input for this would be cr.lp, dash, QCB lk. This catches all the options prior mentioned. How this now does, though, is lets Yang catch neutral jumps. If the opponent neutral jumps, the dash comes out. The game reads your dash as F+QCF, which is a DP short-cut, so Yang will LK DP to catch the neutral jump. Abel does it better, but we do have it on Yang.

cr.lp crouch tech

Against characters like Rufus and Yun, characters (see: shotos) can crouch tech+cr.mp. Yang’s cr.mp is ass against dive kicks. What we can do, though, is anti-air the dive kick with cr.lp while still staying relatively safe against the dive kick/throw mix-up. You do this by plinking cr.lp and cr.lk, but using cr.lp as the priority. Input should look like cr.lp – cr.lp + cr.lk. If you do this right, a cr.lp should come out. But, it’ll also crouch tech.

chain cancel OS

Yang’s target combo (s.mp, s.hp, b+hp) isn’t too horrible. If you hit s.mp and mash s.hp immediately afterwards, you can get a pretty decent OS If the s.mp hits or is blocked, your s.hp will come out (which you can hit confirm into b+hp). If it whiffs, only the s.mp will come out. This OS, however, is basically going to be overtaken by this next one in USF4:

normal OS special

I don’t have a better way to name this. If you throw out a normal and immediately input a special, you get an OS. For example, if I throw out a s.lk and immediately lp rekka, Yang will throw out a s.lk. If the s.lk hits or is blocked, the LP rekka will come out. If the s.lk whiffs, the rekka will not come out. This is extremely useful in footsies, as Yang can catch a stray poke and convert a hit into damage and a knockdown. Good normals for this would be s.lk and cr.mk. In USF4, s.mp is also special cancellable, so it’s a strong option. Typically, you’ll OS into LP rekka (as it’s safe on block). You can elect to try OS HP palm (MP is -7 on block lol). It has a long start-up, but that’s just good for frame-traps.

AA DP shortcut

Not an OS, but Yang players don’t seem to use this as they come off characters that aren’t shotos. D+DF+D+DF (wiggle your stick from down to down forward) is a short-cut for DP. When anti-airing, it’s better to use this short-cut as it leaves Yang crouching the entire time.

There are, of course, match-up specific OSes. These are pretty general.

In bold my correction and comment.

my advise with yang is to go in training mode, put guard to random and do cr mk or st lk or cr lk into lp rekka. if guard stop, if not guard hp reka fadc st mk, dash st mk hk rolling or ultra 2 or st mk dash u1.
train doing this till you fully master it.

concerning kara throw question st HK is really really good, you can do cr lk cr lk kara throw with f.hk karathrow in a nice way.
you can do a kara special command grab doing d.df.f.df.d.db.b lp.plinked with any kick or 3 kick for ex version with yun.I tested it with yang, seems like it s also working but not so good.
need to work on finding one, but after watching a nemo video I have the feeling he is using a kara command grab. You can use the leniency of the game to do half circle back walk forwar then press kick to get more range on the command grab, BUt I have the feeling that he is not using this motion as it s a little bit slower.

[Cows_say_meeeow_1]

What resets should I be learning? I know with c.mk you jump forward and do j.hp but I’m not exactly sure when I should do the j.hp so it looks like I’m going under the opponent but I’m not. And what else can I do to mix up my reset game?

[Dustlooper]

What resets should I be learning? I know with c.mk you jump forward and do j.hp but I’m not exactly sure when I should do the j.hp so it looks like I’m going under the opponent but I’m not. And what else can I do to mix up my reset game?

Get used to cl.mk resets and rekka resets into command grab.

From cl.mk, you can dash and throw out a normal. If you reset with cr.mk xx lk teleport, you’ll end up in front. If you reset with any other normal (cl.mp, cl.hp) xx lk teleport, you’ll be behind. If you reset with cl.hp xx ex palm, you’ll do a meaty palm that beats DPs (except Ken with some specific timing).

For rekka resets, ex rekka x3, ex grab will grab on hit or block. Also, mp rekka x2 FADC normal command grab will grab on hit or block.

[ThisGuileKillYa]

Hello all,

New to Yang here (in SF4 at least). He seems like he has a lot of variations on his basic combos. In particular the ones starting from light attacks. My question is, since I want to learn and practice him, are there any particularly ideal moves or sequences I’d want to go for over others?

For example starting with a cLP over a cLK, whether or not to include an sLP as I see done sometimes. If I want to go from an sLP down to cMK or cLK to get into Rekkas? Or thanks to the now cancelable sMP, if we now want to link into that instead of the cLK/MK? Etc etc

Basically I want to start practicing his basic BNBs and links and all, and Ive got a basic idea of some combos he CAN do, but not really which ones I should be angling toward specifically. I should mention I mean, like, after a landed jumpin/crossup/divekick, etc. Obviously on a cMK poke or something, I’ll do cMK xx rekka. hehe

Oh, and in what situation might we prefer to combo into a Roll Kick as oposed to rekka? Just as a way to change things up and make it hard for them to adjust? Or is there a specific tactical reason to either go for it or not?

OK, getting into rant mode, I’ll shut it down. lol But I think I can make Yang into a straight main in this game, so i wanna get to the practicin’ right away. Thanks in advance for any replies!

[HNIC_Mike]

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cr.lk X3 into rekkas is probably most important because its your easiest link out of a dive kick and its more likely to be a true block string between the dive kick and the first cr.lk. start with a plinked low short and it will offer some throw protection in case you hit too high and the opponent trys to stand throw

cr.lp, st.lp, cr.mk roll kick is second most important because it gives you your best Oki. less damaging than ending in slashes, but higher damage potential from the resulting mix up. use this out of regular jump ins or deeper dive kicks. the jab is a harder link off of a higher dive kick, but its a true string on the first 2 jabs off most normal jumps. stand jab to cr.mk is a 3 frame link as well

cr.lp X2, cr.mk slashes would be next IMO because stand jab whiffs on block after the first blocked jab on some characters. so this is your crouching character combo. end in slashes because crlp to crmk is a 1 frame link. apply it in the same situations you would the other jab combo but they are crouching

cr.lp st.lp/cr.lp, st.mp rekka is for characters like sakura, akuma, oni where they oddly fall out of slash combos. the stand mp moves you forward more

the basic rule is end in rekkas if want corner push. roll kicks for oki.

if you fadc rekkas youre and you dont go for a reset, youre better off with ending with something into roll kick because rekkas will scale more

[ThisGuileKillYa]

That was PERFECT, thanks! Precisely what I was lookin for. I guess one other question would then be, on a successful command grab, what’s typically the best followup(s)?

Edit: another question based on your post, cLK x 3 xx slashes, how many frames link is that? Am I correct that for it to work you have to link the 2nd to the 3rd(as opposed to chain) for the slashes to come out?