The twin’s kara throws is F+MK. Doesn’t add a whole lot range, but it will let you grab from just out of the their normal throw distance.
No, the kara throw button used for the twins is either rh or short.
I prefer kara throwing with short, as if you screw up all that comes out is a short.
And on the topic of command throws; just do them. Limiting the use of command throws only in certain situations is a bad idea. Mix it up and put command throws in there.
YAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnngggggggggggggggggggg.
That is all.
I need help for the Seiei Enbu combos…set ups and resets are great for him.
Just look in the Yang threads. There is a big thread on SA3 in there.
Anway, what do you guys think about cr. mp? I tend to use it as a meaty for quick rollers in the corner since it sets up a nice mixup and such. Actually, you can link SA2 on hit, but it is a hard link to pull off consistantly.
I find though if you hit it deep enough, and the opponent is crouching, you can link a st. mp and combo it. However, I would not recommend this as it can be a hard thing to do, plus it isn’t like you could get good damage off of it, because most of the time you will get a far st. mp, and you will be too far to hit all the hits of the mp, hp, b+hp chain.
On the same token though, I do find that linking a st. mp after a meaty cr. mp is a good anti jump option, and is usually safe on block because you’ll be pushed back a good way.
Also, whenever you play SA3, I would reccomend incorparating the ambiguous looking dive kick into your SA3 sequences (for those who don’t know what that is, just super jump over the body, and when you just get past their head, press db + lk). It’s really good to mixup with real crossup dive kicks, as well as giving you a way to actually get some damage with SA3.
Well this is some stuff I wanted to run by and stir up some conversation.
That shit’s awesome. It beats out shoto low forward, and it sets up good frame advantage to fuck up mashers.
I am also testing some impractical SA2 reset, as well as new SA3 mixups that will help and are kinda is fun to do.
I find that on Chun(testing on other people soon), you can do this:
Palm, (hp slash, lp slash) x 2, SA2.
Flashy thing to do if you get her stunned in the corner at the end of the round.
Maybe I should just make a new SA3 thread. Since I play that primarily, because most of the competition I play around here requires me to play SA3 than SA2.
Anyway, recently I got Yang’s SGGK stuff down. I am wondering is it at all useful in real matches when it comes down to it?
Zenpo Tenshin, (close) s.mk
I’ve tried this over and over mid match against a bunch of characters, is the mk launch character specific? I only ever hit them hit the far mk when I try it.
It’s character specific… off the top of my head, chun, mak, Q… and I think on some characters you can still get the launch off, but you have to take a step towards them after the command throw to do it [dud I think].
how is standing LK dumb? urien happens to have some of the laggiest normals in the game, and the ones he s likely to use on you in a wake up situation ARE the laggiest if he s not in range for a throw. true it can be parried high or low, but why would you automatically throw it out when you don t hear, have a hunch or see something first? and what are the chances your opponent will meaty a normal EVERY single time? his moves are so laggy sometimes even urien players only have a ballpark figure to go on.
depending on the situation, standing LK IMO touches more area and will make contact with more moves easier than crouching LK. it just feels faster for certain punishes. and if i m not mistaken, don t all characters stand before able to ASAP crouch on wake ups? i could be wrong but whatever, condemning a move is just stupid, no need to be a nazi at theory fighter.
and besides, at the range urien is likely to try to make you guess high or low on wake ups without throw, even if its parried, what is he gonna do? ex tackle? crouching lk fireball/tackle “block the rest” crap? don t block! anything but that!
unless urien does parry > immediate “i don t care” attack back or high parry throw to get parry > tackle, there will be a pause, and in my limited experience you can block after those, and if you can block, you can parry. thats right, you can get parried and still parry back.
still, both are great punishers so i wouldn t sleep on anything.
theory fighter = A < B < C < A < B < C…on and on and on. this is why i don t post around here, whats the point of feeling big when all that came out of it were words? nobody ever gave me a trophy for acting smart in the past and its never won me anything. is it just me or are the non american srk’ers the only ones with enough common sense to only post technical information?
EDIT- sorry for the angry rant, i ve just been so sour with how SRK is turning out to be after youtube, daigo parry and ps2 3s release. it has baked into a giant ugly, opinionated mess. there are players in the US right now that are more than qualified to but refuse to share their opinions cause they know how useless it is. not everybody plays like bob from down the street, and vids will only tell you so much.
what? watching vids makes people good? those guys play worse on vids than they do in real life. and how would you accurately estimate the mix ups that show up in the vids if your not there for the casuals(the imprint of the tourny)? yeh you can ballpark it, but you weren t there to see the other things, maybe something you think is a ABC is actually a AaAaBbBbCcCc situation, maybe its a AB AC AA situation.
it doesn t help that 3s is the biggest ego booster no matter where you play it. you could be playing bushmen in africa and still think your godlike, thats one of the easiest pitfalls of this game, don t be fooled by how good/smart the game makes you appear. if you don t know, you better ask somebody!
in 3s terms, i ve gone from a “disciplined” soldier to a “wild” animal, and theres a good reason for it. my reason is to not cage myself by imaginary rules that are thought to be smart decisions. be smart about it yeh. but think about it, WINNING is smart, the ends justify the means. i ain t playing for your respect, i m playing to win. yeh keep that respect and fight tooth and nail from the losers bracket, someone will recognize it, but when you lose, make sure you tell yourself that when they are walking away with your money. play for the final product.
EDIT- the word “you” is being used as plural
Yeah, ok. After reading through your post and trying to understand what the hell you’re talking about, you’re basically getting pissed that I called a theory fighter move stupid.
Wakeup s.short has more range than c.jab or c.short, great. You’re saying to not throw it out unless you
- hear something? Listening to your opp hit a button or not? Or listening to your opps char make a sound? Ok.
- Have a hunch - that’s guessing, plain and simple.
- See something - against Urien, the only thing that comes to mind that you can see and still punish before the move hits you is his c.forward. S.fierce is a terrible trade for a s.short xx ex, and I don’t recall s.fierce losing to much when you try to beat it out on reaction. Punishing on whiff is a different story. C.rh will most likely beat that for free [and also beat c.jab/short]. Yay theory fighter. AGAIN.
So then punishing things before they start up [seeing it] becomes a moot point. If urien is point blank then s.short becomes even less effective.
I’m not even going to touch on the second half of your post because I’m not sure what you’re even talking about…
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yeh cause hearing your opponents on h2h is the first priority right?
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guess what? ALL fighting games are guessing if its not punishing. even your favorite roshi guesses. if you fail to recognize the real skill is to minimize your guesses to only successful scores/options with high success rates, you and me have no business speaking with each other. its only egotistical 3s that doesn t pardon decisions that weren t successful, a totally american trait(“o man you saw that? that was so scrubby”, ok, in that logic, jpn players are scrubby too then). a win is a win. don t have a heart attack when you learn that some of your favorite players in the scene with the experience to guess with a high success rate do exactly what you frown on. technical knowledge minimizes the need to rely on guesses that are specific counters. also, the phase/trend of american disciplined play will come to an end when people realize things like hit confirming creates the illusion of “guaranteed 3s”, the game is always evolving. your probably so into your own science that you don t realize its practically impossible to see and react to a 2 frame move even with 20 years of anticipation, what? you can actually SEE it and react with raw eye strength? GTFOH! if you walk up to me and crouching HK, how do you know for a FACT that it won t be punished in any way? whether i did by accident or on purpose, thats still guessing on your part as much as mine. lets play RPS, if i tell you i m gonna throw out paper and we play, thats what fighting games is right there. lets play again, this time i swear on my life that i m gonna throw out paper, thats fighting games right there.
you spoke as if you frown on guessing, then fighting games might not be the thing for you, period. -
yay more theory fighter, cause you know, EVERY urien player rather do a standing fierce on a knock down situation. that wouldn t be a waste of opportunity at all. and if you read my post, there is no mention of a standing LK straight out beating urien’s fierce WHEN THE URIEN HAS TIME TO START IT UP BEFORE YOU STAND. i don t think you ve even read my post coherently, are you so red to look for things your theory fighting skills can beat out that you ve missed the major points?
whats the point of you writing any of this? my summary is that everything has a use, yours started with you acting like you knew something, and when the opposite was said(which is true too btw), you jump on it as if your personally insulted like its something you can defend. so instead of reviewing my post for flaws you can tackle with humor to relieve the tension of being bitch slapped, why don t you open your eyes and do something useful with your “gaming” time, such as playing.
we re gonna end up going in circles cause writing about playing well is so much easier than going out and doing it. i ve always noticed you craved attention around these forums, and i think its good you know it all when it comes to helping newbs, but whether right out or indirectly, i also find it funny how it seems like your always trying to convince people that you are a good yang player/knowledgable instead of proving your a good player period. dude, if i had the time, i would go through all the old threads and quote the shit out of you and prove my point 876345 times over. i don t even know how you walk without tripping on your ego.
i ve stated that the last part was a rant, your attempt to bash on it shows how little gravity anything you bring up at this point will be.
o, and i will bet 89374958745 amount of money that pierre OR kei would beat the shit out of you with even their shittiest characters, no joke. its funny how in the other thread, you speak as if you have anything over them by stating your disapproval of their skills to use yang when they know yang better than you do. and whats the point of studying the hell out of one character when if your playing enough competition, you should know others inside and out?
EDIT- I M NOT A RACIST! stop the death threats, i know where you live too bitch!
oh god why did i ask about standing LK 
Ahahaha holy shit
- Read what I typed, again. It was either ‘are you talking about listening to buttons?’ or ‘are you talking about listening to the character make a sound’. Are you so distraught that you can’t recognize a question?
- Your own words were ‘Have a hunch’. Hey, guess what? That’s just plain guessing. The way you worded it was as though you’re randomly hoping it would work. Blah blah. The real skill is to minimize etc. etc? Like I said, read your own words, again.
- More theory fighter, not gonna even comment on this further.
By the way, personally insulted? I said wakeup s.short was dumb, and a month later you have a huge rant about how I shouldn’t be a nazi when it comes to theory fighter. I don’t think you see the logic in what you’re doin.
Blah blah I can’t walk without tripping over my ego? Sure, sure. You say I should spend my gaming time… gaming. Yup, I do. Though I’m loath to drop names, I do play against some of the best competition in the entirety of the U.S. I have experience and knowledge playing against some of the better players. I just don’t travel, so I don’t have the same amount of experience that some others do [though people from out of state come here etc etc]. I already know I’m good, but I’m sure if you where to exhaustively search my old posts you wouldn’t find any of me stating so with my ego supporting it [in any serious manner].
‘Bashing’ that last part is hilarious. I just stated I had no fucking idea what you were talking about [rambling about the ends justify the means, and something about respect], and said so.
What the fuck ever. Go ahead and quote me. Over and over if you want to.
Oh yeah, and craving attention? I just post a lot, and unless you’ve got some post of me saying ‘Hey I’m the best, listen ONLY to my advice’, I’m pretty sure that’s complete bullshit.
hahaha man either your too thick to take something in or your thick and you hate losing, what a healthy ape to swing in the wrong direction. my summary was that everything has its use with exactly what qualities a player can benefit from what we were originally talking about.
in a narrow sense, you are understanding it as exactly THAT ONE MOVE. let me say this again, EVERYTHING has its use, i was saying that your STUPID for calling any move dumb. thats something that doesn t have to be connected with theory fighting. thats something that doesn t have to be connected with theory fighting. thats something that doesn t have to be connected with theory fighting.
“I said wakeup s.short was dumb, and a month later you have a huge rant about how I shouldn’t be a nazi when it comes to theory fighter. I don’t think you see the logic in what you’re doin.”
i see what your saying, thats easy. do you see what i m saying?
given i ranted more than was required, but it still got you to say the exact things for me to prove what you are, at least in my opinion. and whats the point of bringing up that i replied a month later? i just saw it. i wasn t around a month ago, so sue me.
the truth is, this will end in us agreeing to disagree, you will walk away thinking you “draw’d” or “won” while i walk away more disappointed. we are on completely different pages here
Look. Your only actual point is that you believe wakeup s.short is useful against Urien. Rather than backing it up with actual facts [well to be fair you -sorta- did], all you did was type in a near-incoherent manner and try to talk shit to me. Whatever.
So you got me to say what, that I’m good? So that proves… what again?
Also I didn’t think you were this retarded, honestly. I couldn’t exactly care less if you walked away ‘disappointed’ or not, it’s just that this little conversation I’ve had with you only solidifies the belief [that wasn’t originally mine to begin with, actually some friends that met you thought this] that you are retarded.
You make a huge, stupid post on something I commented on a while back, and rather than try and post to show why you’re right, you just call me stupid and start mashing harder on your keyboard. Sigh. You try to make it all dramatic and shit with sentences such as ‘the truth is… blah blah’, and in the end I’m the one disappointed.
ok, now we re going off topic, and your misunderstanding of whats been said is something else.
instead of picking at the little things like how i decided to write or how i seem to appear to people i don t care about, maybe if you actually read through my post instead of using debating techniques(such as playing dumb, real life dumb or just acting dumb, i don t know), we can discuss the original point as if you weren t short sighted.
i like how you bring up real life things on the excuse that my post is incoherent when it takes quite a few steps to go that far from an internet forum, i must of really poked you hard. i would apologize for that but i still feel the same way, you had nothing to say on the original point so you felt the need to dive into a different pool and “fight” back.
as dramatic as that sounds, thats what happened. you squatted on the smaller, stand LK issue and failed to see why i was saying your wrong in the first place. the technical information about the pros and cons in the originally post wasn t even required, i only did in case you might of misunderstood and you still did anyway. i could of just said “everything has its use” and it would of meant the same thing. i was trying to avoid appearing like a high nosed elitist.
the way you debated was as if you knew something about me from the start(obviously what your “friends” mentioned) and rode on that. if i adopted the same method, then from the beginning, i would of just kept saying:
“can you break that down for me? i m so slow, i just process things slow, it take me some time to learn cause i can t process things any faster, damn i m so slow”
so basically, from your side of the debate, you got to plug in that you:
A. are good(on whose opinion/proof, i have no clue)
B. mentioned that you play some of the best competition in the US when you don t even know if the feeling is mutual. i won t get personal(real life) cause thats not something i do on the forums. maybe cause i m too slow. damn why am i so slow? maybe i should stop doing anything i have pride in cause i process things so slow.
damn i m slow.
C. don t know why all this hate is going around.
o and believe me, as much as you seem to act like it right now, i also feel like there no justice in this world. its mutual.
fine, we re obviously on different pages, i ve gone back and read what you had to say again, as a human being, i m at least obligated to that. i suggest you do the same so that you can see where we ended up on different pages. cause i can see your side fine, your the one thats excusing yourself from staying on topic.
Ok, so -
I’m not picking at anything little. The bulk of your post[s] was far too much of a hassle to even read, but I went through it anyways and wasted my time. I barely make any comment about it [just that it was unintelligible] and you try to say that what I say after the ‘bashing’ will have little weight in this… discussion. Ah huh.
I -did- look at your post. All bullshit aside, I’m not the one who started going way off-topic. You did. You were the one who started typing random shit and then deteriorated into some attempt at a flame.
Let’s recap.
- I say s.short is dumb
- You say it’s not dumb, how you hate SRK and how… god knows what.
- I say why it’s dumb, and what Uriens can do to easily stop it [theory fighter]. I comment on your rant.
- You counter with your own arguments, and then launch into a tirade about how I act like I know what I’m talking about, how I crave attention, how I should play more, how Kei and Pierre…
Looking at that, all that tells me is that you’re the one who went way - WAY - off topic. At the start, I didn’t insult anyone, didn’t assume too much at all. Lemme make this clear - you did. You try and say that I’m avoiding the main topic at hand, talking shirt, that I’m using little debate tactics to try to deflect attention from the idea that I’m ‘losing’ this discussion [??], and yet that’s what you’ve been doing from the very start.
Also
Please don’t try to make it seem that I offered that information out of no where. You were talking about how I needed to play during my gaming time, or that how I am conceited or whatever the hell. All I’m doing is breaking apart any argument thus far you’ve given me. Go ahead and get back on topic if you want, all that’s gonna happen now is even more theory fighter.
i love you rom:lovin:
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from the beginning, saying “standing LK is dumb” was doomed, you knew that anything to do with this would be a lost cause. i said from the start that saying any move being bad is just plain stupid and it is.
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you keep mentioning “one month ago one month ago” like it changes something, if you felt differently about recently, then you should of deleted the post cause i wasn t here a month ago, i just saw it, thats your bad cause its still there.
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ok, you said standing LK is dumb, i explained why its not, the benefits, and DIDN T go off topic, i replied. ALOT of it is tied together cause of what YOU replied. don t accuse me of ape logic cause of something you wrote.
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you saying that i write like crap but IGNORING the majority of the post(hence, failing to see how they relate to the main point) is your bad.
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in the first post, i mentioned that i m sorry for randomly ranting about the last part. you saw that one thing, me admitting that, and ran with it cause you had nothing else solid to go on. that doesn t excuse the rant but you chose to ignore the majority of the post to begin with.
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then you got personal about it, probably as a “finishing move” cause you had gossip to go on from the beginning, so thats how you treated the post and it shows.
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i could of just as easily chose to be a gossip queen from the start and said something like “hey, are you slow? why are you so slow? do you ever process things fast? why do you learn so slow? what don t you understand about so and so?” but i didn t, cause i don t know you in real life to bring that into the topic, which stems to the main point:
you failed to see the bigger point i was talking about from the beginning.
anyway, i have to eat, blah blah and goto bed so i can do things tommorow, keep going though, as much as i say this is a waste of time and its all fluff, this IS entertaining