uhm, Shiro says no basic infinites, but how do you plan to enforce that? what’s the definition of basic? what’s the definition of no? I think 1-4 reps is fine for positional advantage. What about infinite into reset? Is that infinite or is that not an infinite? what about combo into throws which are technically breakable.
Jay and Jon say just let everything go. 200% included. I also think it’s easier to say, if the game let’s you do it, then it’s ok. Cause I for one, don’t want to be sitting around judging the matches and have to arbiter judging disputes. Like whack. Is it possible to get a config that makes everyone happy here?
No way man, if you allow basic infinites the it negates any real skill taken to actually win this tournament. Also it will be some really shitty footage if all we have is people doing 200% infinites and 100% infinites.
The main reason the game isn?t taken seriously is because of the broken infinites.
The actual infinites I was talking about are things like cyclops corner jumping infin, shoto corner jumping infin, wolve Charlie Basically any and all characters corner infinites.
Reason: it takes little to no skill at all to grab someone and end the match in the corner with one combo (honestly that?s all it?ll take) . It wont matter if you?re the great guru of XvSF you still wont get out of that corner infinite no matter what you do.
So the best result is to have more than 3 reps of the infinite its self. If you connect a grab and it combos then its no longer a basic infinite since you can mash out of it. Also if you bust out a relaunch in the middle of the infinite then it is no longer a basic infinite. Doing anything to change the strand of a basic infinite is making it no longer a basic infinite. I don?t mind at all watching or having to sit threw all the matches. And as for arguments or disputes of what is or isn?t a basic infinite, I have no problem at all helping peeps. So you really don?t have to have any involvements in this besides setting every thing up fo me to run the tournament its self.
Also I hope Joker does come so me him and Narith can get some games in.
I definitely agree that there should be restrictions in place. I’m a firm believer in disallowing basic infinites, but I think this may require a somewhat more rigorous definition. I mean, you could easily pick cyclops and do the lame corner infinite, producing the slightest of variations each rep and claim that it’s technically not an infinite. Furthermore, there’s a big skill difference in doing a true FSD than a teleport relaunch on dhalsim, for example.
The point is: I feel it should be strictly described what is meant by a rep of an infinite, before we decide on how many reps are acceptable.
You understand the format I’m talking about: basic air combo, 1 rep of basic inf, reset, etc.
But the thing about something like basic clops infinite, for example, is that you could consider one rep to be something like: /\ j.LP > j.MP > j.HP, dj.LP > dj.MP > dj.HP /
In which case, if you add the damage of the initial air combo setup, as well as 3 of these reps, then that’s enough to kill a full character (on our current damage setting).
If there’s concern about having trouble keeping track of what’s a basic infinite and what’s not, I’m down with playing no infinites at all.
But anyway, it’s really just the basic infs I have an issue with. I’m cool with the other glitches like FSD or 200% links.
Should do like we did at EVO. Money match with no infinites allowed at all. Shit was crazy and more exciting, because it was straight up skillz to beat your opponent without any infinites. It was Justin Wong against a Sabretooth player and they ended up getting Justin in a Sabretooth inf that immediately made him lost the match. Anyway, not like any of you will want to do that or anything, lol.
dont get me wrong … im not hating on XvSF or anything but u guys having to run a tourney with such a rule … that shows exactly how busted this game is. MvC2 pretty much has the same physics but without it being so broken so why not play marvel? im not saying that u guys should play without this rule though. it just bothered me for a long time how this game’s so broken… and then when this big tourney comes up and u guys have to modify the gameplay to actually satisfy yourselves. in my opinion winning this tournament wont prove anything in terms of being the best as much as it would without any rules.
MvC2 has some very serious differences in which I don?t want to get into. I for one don?t want to run a MvC2 tournament and I don?t want to bother at all with the game period.
Also saying this tournament wont prove anything is about the stupidest thing I ever herd. I mean if you win with actual skills not using Broken infinites (which as I said is why people wont take the game seriously) will show real skill. If your not entering the tournament and don?t have any interest at all entering it then why bother posting that o.0 it just doesn?t make any senses. Its like you posted that to discredit the tournament in its entirety.
Regarding that last comment ?Joker owns all? um well he lost last time I was in Toronto so he doesn?t own me that?s for sure.
I dunno man, I don’t think xmvsf is quite as similar to mvc2 as you would claim. The subtleties of each game are entirely different. I agree that mvc2 is a bit more polished, but when it comes right down to it, the game is still ripe with infinites. They’re just considered more excusable, because it’s not such a big blow to take out 1 of 3 characters (among a few other reasons). Furthermore, there may not be 200%, but it’s just as easy to do a guard break in mvc2. Also worthy of note are the traps available in mvc2, which can basically be just like doing an infinite, but dealing only chip.
On top of all this, however, the point is that they are very different games, and I just think it’s a mistake to think of xmvsf as but a less evolved form of mvc2.
Forgive me if I’ve misunderstood, but are you asserting that this ‘no infinites’ rule would serve only to skew the identity of the true champion? If indeed this is the case, I think that’s absurd. There’s obviously more skill involved in winning sans infinites, and in any case, it’s funner that way!
Thanks for the suggestion though. Maybe in a few years I’ll be at a competetive level in mvc2.
first of all … last comment of mine was just for jokes shiro
and just to make this clear about my saying that the tourney wont prove anything … i was very careful about my words so i made sure i added “as much as it would be without any rules”. obviously marvel and xmen arent EXACTLY the same. they are 2 different games of 2 different eras of that fighting genre, but its not like im saying move from KoF 98 to marvel or something. they have their similarities. but whether im right about that or not … the fact that u guys (supposibly the best in canada) have to play with that rule proves what ive been saying all along and not being fun or showing skill is not a reason to do it in my opinion.
Ok im just going to disregard this guy because he?s not making any since to me at all. I?m not switching to Mvc2 for anything thing. I?ll sooner quite fighting games. Not using infinites which make the game easier are obviously the better way to play the game ( as I said in example for sfa3 with crouch cancel infinites).
Also who said we are the best? I never once said I was the best. Not in any post I have ever made have I once said I am the best or I am among the best. Furthermore I have never indicated that I am the best. So where are you getting this from?
Lastly what point are you trying to prove. The tourney is mainly for xvs and wont change to mvc2 for all the tea in china
PS are you the same dee that was at perricks house? If so then every thing makes senes and I?ll see you at t9 hommmi
umm no disrespect shiro but if u remember correctly i won the first set we had b the day b for then the next set u won…remember… then after that the next day… we had those matchs the ones u posted which are kinda messed up order wise if u look closely… n e ways yes u won those and then after that im like 1 more set and u said no and didnt want to play no more at all … just to let u know
Wtf? nooo when jerris and dee and My buddy were passed out on the couch is where you won the frest set 5-4 then the enxt day when every one went up stairs we played 2 more sets i wot 2-5 then I won the last set 4-5. I didnt wan’t to play because if you ask me that was alot of matches. it wouldn’t have ended until i had to leave because we both kno wnither one of us was going to let the other guy have the better wins.
Also we had told my buddy we were going to get in some games of something else besides XvSF so its not like I didn’t want to play any more (which i sure as hell did) I jsut left that there wasn’t any need to keep doing best of 9’s over and over and over.
Just being real here Perrick. Like i said its no disrepsecpt to you, as i said many times you have the ebst mags and I got the best chun. So lets play again at this tournament. This time we wont sandbag it =p
lol it seems i’ve caused quite a stir … no disrespect to XvSF players or the game or anything.
there was some post earlier with someone claiming u to be the west coast champ or somethin like that … i dunno … so thats where i would have gotten anything from. and i never said anything about u being the best in the first place did i? i was refering to a bunch of u (urself included to be honest). and u can’t tell me that u dont consider urself one of the better xmen players in canada.
anyways … in any game u unfortunately have people that settle for just doing “what it takes to win” and whats even more unfortunate then that is that there are a few that consistantly pull it off and then ppl start b*tching about it cuz it takes no skill and could possibly be considered cheap (myself included). but i wouldn’t go as far as to ban those tactics in a tourney that pretty much determines (to u guys) who the best in canada really is. if u guys arent considering the winner of this tourney to the best here then i take back everything i said.
now keep in mind that i do think u (shiro) are an awesome XvSF player (from what i saw at j0ker’s house), im an XvSF fan myself just not really hardcore, and that i agreed that this tourney WOULD be much better WITH this rule. the only thing i’ve been disagreeing with is to call whoever wins this tournament “THE BEST IN CANADA” simply because i believe a game should be played as is. I’m not saying that whoever wins this tourney isnt anywhere near the best either cuz they obviously would be.
i can understand any differences of opinion and i dont think there’s anything else i would have to say to try and backup whatever it has been that i’ve been saying. if my comments about telling u xmen players to play marvel gotten sour then i apologize but everything else i said stands firm in my mind. maybe it was useless of me to post that comment in the first place but i wanted to fully explain myself before i let this go.
GL to everyone down in Ottawa. See u guys at T8 hopefully.