anyone mention sak vs gief yet? that one’s pretty horrid
Yeah the only thing I can see Sakura having in that match is her straight up j.HK and cross up j.LK beats lariat for free.
Truth. Any pointers? Everytime I try something I get FP’d in the face for my effort. I know that he has weak defense against cross-ups.
I don’t get what you’re all talking about. “Vega vs. SFIV” bla bla
WTF
Vega is the most solid low tier ever. He has like, three 7:3 matchups and that’s it. And even those are winnable.
Actually, Juicebox, one of the better Abel players in the country if not THE best, does not think Zangief vs Abel is as bad as people make it seem either.
Gotta make sure it’s a cross up though or free hit. with J.HK, if you do it too high sometimes, it’s a hit but you gon get SPD’d. Overall, the match ain’t terribly bad, but still in gief’s favor by alot. Less links and go for the basics match on gief.
hmm using your logic, shiro(and most abel players ive talked with) thinks zangief is a terrible matchup for abel… and he’s one of the best in japan.
but then Art’s said in his thread that japan giefs are much much much scarier than the ones in the states. so maybe thats one of the reasons why juicebox said what he said. its just super ridiculous hard to get out of gief’s vortex once you’re caught in it.
of course ppl tend to exaggerate stuff too. its possible to win against gief, its still 7-3 in gief’s favor to me though.
Abel vs Zangief is an extremely tough match for Abel, no doubt about that, second in difficulty only to Zangief vs Seth IMO.
Before the God’s Garden tournament Daigo proposed a “call and refuse” rule, which was meant to give players the opportunity to turn down “cheap” matches. ODC’s translation specifically mentioned Abel vs Zangief.
yes, this is true as well. the “call and refuse” rule was made for matchups like abel vs gief(the way he said it, its like the rule was made exclusively for that matchup LOL). but then thats just some random dude named umehara saying stuff. 
daigo looking out for the kids!
hey the kids are the future! lol
That because he’s juicebox and is better than any gief in the country. Abel/Gief is bullshit. NO QUESTION.
Abel vs. Gief sucks ass. Abel can’t get into a fight with him at all. He has nothing normal wise that beats Gief. You have to hope you get lucky and randomly get in so you can throw him to death cuz you sure ain’t gonna hit him with a lot of physical attacks other than wheel kick.
This match is frustrating, but only in the sense that your moveset is drastically diminished.
However, the moves you CAN use put you at the realm of POSSIBILITY of victory. Cr.HK, cr.MK, cr.MP, st.MP, wheel kick, dash-TT, and j.HP are your basic anti-zangief moves.
The important thing in this matchup, above all, is to hold down-back if he’s at half-screen or closer. Don’t risk fighting him on open ground; wait for him to make a decision such as a jump or a st.MP.
Anti-air everything. Trade, beat, whatever. Just don’t let him land after a jump.
Don’t jump at him, EVER.
Neutral jump on his wakeup. j.HK will beat everything unless he waits and lariats you on the way down. You know what beats the wait? TT and HK. Make him fear YOU if you knock him down.
Counterpoke that motherfucker. st.MP keeps him honest and prevents him from spamming his st.MP. If you’re close enough for a F+MK, throw it out, but don’t dash cancel most of the time. Set that baseline expectation of no dash cancel… On the 50th blocked F+MK, dash and air grab that fucker (he’s gonna jump).
Be patient and KNOW YOUR MOVESET. This matchup is winnable on a consistent basis if you can get in his head. Be like “Naw, that shit don’t work. Abel’s got defense too, bitch”
EDIT: Forgot one thing. If he uses his F+HK move, punish it on reaction with cr.MP xx CoD.
And thats how it should be done. Analysis>Complaining
The no jump tip on zangief is pretty much universal. He’s also preppin’ his SPD, dawg.
Everytime I face a gief, I tremble…
no. No. NO! NooooOOOOOOOO!!!
i f* hate Sakura vs me.
Sakura vs Chun, vs Rose, vs Honda makes me cry.
Even my Barlog cry.
P.S. Yes, i’m still noob.
nice write up but I think that this is just good theory, on practice this would fail at the first EX glove knockdown, unless somehow you manage to block them all or something…
That’s why I said “block at half-screen”.
Sure, technically all it takes is one mishap to lose a round, so that’s where the ability to STAY CALM comes in. Ironically, this match involves a lot of WRESTLING for momentum.