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On paper. Sure. In practice, against players who actually know this game, it doesnt work that way at all.

Brocken can actually have a hard time scoring a knockdown. His only normal that does it is s.mk i believe. Even after getting that knockdown, your ‘free mixup’ is totally null and void if the opponent is not in the corner, thanks to the wake-up backdash. This ‘mixup’ is purely high-low, and leads generally to very low damage and a knockdown, or meh damage and no follow up. Its easy to think that he also has a crossup-mixup on wakeup with fly/bombs, but you always block these the same way.

This guy doesnt hit like 'Sim. He is terribly weak. His anti air options are very poor, and he gets ruled by anyone with a fast-jump (hanzou, fuuma, dragon, mudman). On top of that, his projectiles dont combo when buffered off his low pokes, and are generally some of the worst in the game.

Now, he does have some great stuff. An unblockable Hero-Super is amazing in the corner, until your opponent learns the timing to backdash it. He does have a decently easy combo in red life that leads to a dizzy, but being in position to start this combo requires you to get lucky or bait a laggy move from your opponent.

Brocken’s matchups are really what puts him so low on the list, though. Take a look:

Heavy Disadvantage vs Hanzou, Fuuma, Carn, Dragon, Erick, Mudman, Gokuu
Disadvantage vs Kidd, Ryoko, Jack
Even vs Rasputin, Ryofu (this is HUGE for him), Muscle, Janne
Advantage vs J.Max
Heavy Advantage vs Shura (this one is practically free, its really bad)

Brocken is a character with some really strong and kinda maybe close to broken stuff in a game full of absolutely silly and godly characters who’s bullshit make his look and feel like eating fresh cake. His decent matchup vs Ryofu is probably what keeps him out of the tier below the one he is in.

He, like every character in this game, can win. The tiers are not so rigid in this game, its far more matchup dependent. But yeah, he is where he belongs on el listo.

EDIT - Watched the vids. Those players are new to the game, plain and simple. J.Max player was REALLY bad. Ryoko was okay, but did command roll cancel even once, or land super, or counter, and even had the infinite ready to start and did c.hk instead… The Hanzou knew how to do his basic bnb, and use his ABC to try the infinite/lockdown, but had no idea how to use the teleports, tried a random super, and lost to Erick (Hanzou v Erick is a 9/1 if you ask me, that should rarely if ever happen). Didnt see a Brocken. Rasputin would land c.mp xx whatever once and then back off, AND he landed his super, which should also NEVER happen (its terrible, jump on reaction, you have a while to jump at that).

Josh, you should watch those vids. I hope thats not the highest level of play in Japan, but if so, I guess our rag-tag crew is all we have.

Keits, we need to get online so you can train me

damn if mi-ka-do people are playing this im kinda suped
looks like some free wins for me

For the love of god, teach them to counter-throw/option select, backdash, and show them the differences in this game’s okizemi.

after i win whatever tourney they are having lol

Shit, I thought it was just me. I kept seeing jumping HP all of a sudden, no tackle jump cancelling, and no 50/50 so I thought, “hell, maybe I am playing this incorrectly”.

That Brocken though was a sight, Xiggurat and I were lolling at his hard earned wins. I don’t think much could be done out of torpedo cancelling out of block since it puts him at honey range for a low or LIGHTNING FINGER.

Damn homie, if Broken isnt broken as shit after the Mikado vids i’ve seen then my eyes are playing tricks…slow with half screen cancellable normals means ridiculous in my book…

I’m amazed you reckon his stuff is that easy to play against, show me how you handle him then with video proof in an actual match. I’m actually buying this game after seeing that Broken stuff…character is unreal

there should already be video proof i think.

im sure there is some old stuff of my brocken vs josh and josh brocken vs me. brocken is hard work, man. best of luck to you. those jap vids didnt show off any of the games really strong stuff at all… you are going to cry when you meet carn and ryofu.

i want frame data :wink:

im back into this game, i just need a better freakign stick

i havent found a dedicated
on emulated machine since i have been in japan

I never see anyone on this in 2df. People are always away or playing something else.

Serious? So those vids dont show all the possibilities of the game? Much appreciated if you could link me some vids of high level match play, i want to see Carn, Ryofu (my fave) and Kidd used properly

cheers man!

I’m usually on 2df every sunday night around 8 PM est. If you see me on challenge me. I need to play more WHP.

Yeah, the japanese vids are really really not good. Start digging through JoshtheFUNKdoc’s youtube (link is in his signature) for tons of great matches. Start with the most recent stuff, as back at the begining when we first starting posting vids, we were just figuring things out as well.

I think I’m leveling up a little in this, certain characters are starting to make more “sense” to me. Get at me on 2DF!

Cheers again, i’ll check em out and learn the game properly…this is one of the SNK based miscellaneous games i’ve never got deep into, chose to play Fighters History Dynamite, Real Bout and Breakers (lol) instead…

http://2dfighter.com/games/player.aspx?id=294&game=16

WHP-
Check out the most recent match (dated 8-25-08) between me and BBH. One of the best shows of Ryoko you are going to see so far (shows why i think she is top 5), and you see me go through the motions with quite a few characters trying to give BBH some matchup experience.

Enjoy!

Thanks for the props man, it was a very fun learning experience :tup:

hell, you even saw something new - if Ryoko ABC counters a normal move that was buffered into a Hero special, the Hero special comes out for one frame but Ryoko grabs them anyway, making them waste their bar. Crazy.

(to everyone else: yes, I do play characters other than Ryoko, but wanted to get in some good practice with her)