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“Does wikileaks overcorrect for a lack of transparency? Yes. So let’s find the balance.”

  • A former professor of mine, who always had a knack for “What have we learned today?” type takeaways.
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gonna go ahead and post the story this time, just wow at all the shit popping off from this

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An anonymous group of internet activists appear to have launched a series of cyber attacks to shut down the websites of Mastercard, a Swiss bank and the Swedish prosecutor’s office in an apparent retaliation for action taken against WikiLeaks.

A group calling itself “Anonymous” or “Anonymous Operations” said on its homepage on Wednesday that Mastercard.com was its “current target”, after the credit card company stopped its payment services to the whisteblowing website.

The credit card company’s website was inaccessible on Wednesday morning, while PostFinance, the Swiss post office banking service, also said it was suffering denial of service attacks since it closed the bank account of Julian Assange, the website’s founder.

“Since the closure of the account, groups have launched ‘Operation Payback’ with the aim of blocking PostFinance by simulating hundreds of thousands of connections with the aim of overloading it,” Alex Josty, a PostFinance spokesman said.

‘Operation avenge Assange’

Hackers appeared to be using denial service attacks against the websites, in which computers across the internet are harnessed to jam sites with an overload of requests for data, stopping their sites from functioning.

One tweet on Anon_Operations said: “Target: postfinance.ch : Grab your weapon and its settings: FIRE NOW!”.

Viral messages have also been posted on the internet, some called “Operation Avenge Assange”, urging people to campaign on behalf of WikiLeaks and take part in “the first info war ever fought”.

The call comes after John Perry Barlow, co-founder of the San Francisco-based internet freedoms group Electronic Frontier Foundation, tweeted: “The first serious infowar is now engaged. The field of battle is WikiLeaks. You are the troops”.
“Well I don’t know if there is a connection between our website being hacked and WikiLeaks but I suppose so”

Claes Borgstrom, Swedish lawyer

In a statement on its website, the group Anonymous, which is a leaderless group of activists campaigning for online freedoms, said: “While we don’t have much of an affiliation with WikiLeaks, we fight for the same reasons”.

“We want transparency and we counter censorship …This is why we intend to utilise our resources to raise awareness, attack those against and support those who are helping lead our world to freedom and democracy.”

Attack on Swedish prosecution

The website of the Swedish prosecution authority, which has brought an arrest order against Assange, who is currently being held at a prison in Britain, said it had also made a complaint to police after an “overload attack” on Tuesday evening.

Another Swedish website for the the lawyer of the two women who made the complaint against Assange was also inaccessible.

“Well I don’t know if there is a connection between our website being hacked and WikiLeaks but I suppose so,” Claes Borgstrom, the lawyer for the two women, said.

The attacks against the websites come after a number of companies, including Visa Europe, Mastercard, PayPal and Amazon cut off ties with WikiLeaks after the organisation angered the US by releasing thousands of secret diplomatic cables.

News website CNET cited a MasterCard spokesman as saying the whistleblowing website was being cut off due to rules barring use for “directly or indirectly engaging in or facilitating any action that is illegal.”

WikiLeaks has also found it more challenging to host its information online, with the website coming under an increasing number of cyber attacks leading one of its US server providers to end its relationship with the organisation.
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source: Hackers seek to ‘avenge’ WikiLeaks - Europe - Al Jazeera English

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yah, like his embracing of the labor theory of value (economically debunked). He was also caught in this view of history as an inevitability towards this perceived goal, which still hasn’t presented itself. Not to mention the shortcomings of his historical view was that it didn’t reconcile explaining how it would move from capitalism into the last stage, which was communist utopia. This is at the heart of the problem of why socialist “utopias” like the ones you listed were never able to reach this perceived ending state of history.

You’re simply perpetuating idiocy by saying they weren’t communist states, since it doesn’t change the fact that his ideas caused these states to come into fruition. Regardless of the fact that they weren’t communist.

The funniest thing that most commies don’t know about Marx is that he actually liked the mechanisms of capitalism, but simply wanted to centralize it, because he perceived it as irrational and chaotic without a bureaucratic machine.

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I do know that he liked the engines of capitalism. He also credits it with being important in creating large works that help numerous people. On the other hand, the ravaging nature of capitalism, and its constant expansion into new territories has been pretty spot on. Need to get me a copy of Das Capital and general economic theory books to have a good understanding of some of the current stuff (well aware that reading some marx doesn’t suddenly turn me into an economist).

it is not an idiocy that they were not communist states. The difference between the communism practiced in Cuba and USSR is similar to the democracy practiced in the U.S.: it is technically using the idea, but applying it in very important and different ways.

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theres no left or right here, some of the shit I’ve been reading is straight fucked up.

Do you have morals? Then this shit should make you question what our country is doing. I started off on the right when this shit happened, now I dont want anything to do with this shit.

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Well, im glad you actual turned out to know your shit. I really hope you do get some economics books cuz its such an interesting subject that most people think they need a degree in to understand…

I see what you’re saying, but I meant Marx’s ideas on communism are to blame for these dictatorships, because Mao and Stalin used his ideas to justify their totalitarian regime, which I believe shows the dangers of these ideas. Marx left a gap in his historical explanations, which allowed dictators to manipulate these ideas to their own benefit and justify their dictatorship. His inability to give a thorough explanation (impossible to do) on how to go from a capitalist state into a communist one allowed for people to either miscontrue his goals or use them for their own gain.

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Those gaps are there because he kinda died in the middle of explaining everything. From the look of the post it seems that your knowledge of Marx is strictly of the Communist Manifesto as opposed to his other works. But general Marx concepts being what they are, capitalism giving us the good ol’ in and out, the middle class growing small, all things indicate that people are being separated into land owning and the workers at the macro level. This is as far as I’ll go with this because I don’t have to knowledge to discuss it properly.

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WikiLeaks cables: Shell’s grip on Nigerian state revealed | Business | The Guardian

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Isn’t this like blaming Darwin for Nazi eugenics programs?

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I’d say it’s more like blaming reason for when we eventually go to war with SkyNET.

Dr. B _____________s all over the fucking ______________.
…(manly thing) … (attractive woman/planet)

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But won’t Dr. B save us from SkyNET?

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What if Dr. B IS SkyNET?

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it was Nietzsche that was pretty much responsible for that (he hated nazi’s but his family and several Nazi’s turned his works into propaganda…for instance “Blond Beast” referred to lions but got twisted to represent blond haired people). His comments about Supermen and the Master Race didnt help much either.

And lol @ people calling the Soviet Union communist. United Soviet SOCIALIST Republic.

Communism has never been achieved. To say it has failed is just an uneducated brain fart.

Also, Stalin like to paint naked men. How very odd.

edit: so, Shell has basically been raping an entire country. But we gotta keep comdemning these wilileaks because they only make america look bad, and then the terrorists win. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

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Dude, he got charged with sex by surprise. That’s like you’re walking along minding your own business and suddenly there’s a chick riding you.

Really, what’s so wrong with that?

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Wait what?

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i don’t think your giving our government enough credit. the arrest is being made for “sex by surprise” which is ONLY a sex crime in sweden (they were having consensual sex, condom broke and he didn’t stop).

the other odd thing about those charges: they were initially filed, and the first prosecutor on the case dismissed it in short order saying there was nothing to the charges. Then a day after one of wikileaks large leaks a higher ranked investigators comes in and overrules the first to re-open the case, then puts out a interpol warrant for his arrest for questioning (no actual charges filed).

shit is fishy a fuck.

edit: did this motherfucker really just say that the gov’t is trying to take control of the internet? is he completely unaware of the fact that the gov’t MADE the internet? no seriously go look that shit up. like rock posted above me go google arpanet and learn.

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Impossible. Dr. B is human, and kinda…occupied. What you’ve seen on tv and in interviews is really a highly advanced Brain Operated Zygoetopic Zoid running on satellite access from Dr. B’s last recorded brain pattern, just before…the “incident”. As for the incident itself, theorizing that one could time travel within his own lifetime, Dr.B. led an elite group of scientists into the desert to develop a top-secret project known as Quantum Leap. Pressured to prove his theories or lose EVO funding, Dr. B prematurely stepped into the project accelerator, and vanished. He awoke to find himself in the past, suffering from partial amnesia and facing a mirror image that was not his own. Fortunately, contact with his own time was maintained through brain-wave transmissions with Al, the project observer, who appears in the form of a hologram, that only Dr. B can see and hear. Trapped in the past, Dr. B finds himself leaping from life to life, putting things right that once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap…will be the leap home.

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the internets has evolved way beyond arpanets humble beginnings. besides the whole motivation for it all was a highly decentralized communication network consisting of many nodes. take one node out with a nuke, and the others can still talk to one another. so even back then, the whole point was that it was not possible to control the internets.

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Wrong. Al Gore made the internet.