mio pretty much hit the nail on the head. There’s just no motivation anymore, not for new players or veterans to keep playing. It sucks cuz I prefer this game over any new fighting game out right now, but even though I’ve put a goodfair amount of time into it this year, I’d think it makes sense for new players to not even bother. I mean tournaments for the game in the US are getting less and less players. The whole scene is waning down unless you live in select hot spots.
Nice post mio.
Personally, the negatively perceived steep learning curve definitely attracts me to 3S. It’s the reward I feel from knowing that every win is due to the investment I put into the game. I’m not a tournament level player but I’ve come along way from where I’ve started and I’m glad to be at this level of play.
The amount of difficulty in order to achieve a decent level of play and move on from being a scrub and onto being a beginner is high in all aspects of the game. These would include but aren’t limited to: zoning, execution, frames, combos, setups, mixups and parries. Consequently “gamers” in general would flock to a game in which mashable random ultras can deduct %50+ of life, untouchable shoryukens (including variants) reign supreme and implemented “shortcuts” to moves makes everything oh so much more lenient to mashing. The icing on their cake? the UbEr 3D graphics. 3S has no chance with that kind of crowd and it’s best that 3S is free of them, they only bring the community down.
Now, as to the pro players that have turned their backs to 3S. Those are crowd-pleasers and most rely on those droving crowds for their lively hood. Those crowds just seem to prefer SFIV at the moment so that’s where their best interests lye. No matter how much they seem to love SFIV right now the moment SFV inevitably comes around they’ll jump ship just the same as they did with 3S.
i will play 3rd strike until the arcade hardware is not supported.
Denjin didn’t cause anything. Denjin is sustaining 3s if anything. The 3s figureheads you remember from FFA days like Rockefeller, Amir, Arlieth all have personal things keeping them from playing these days. Most those people weren’t really doing much 3s related throughout early 2008, long before Denjin opened. It’s opening just happened to coincide with the phasing out of a lot of older, well known players. The scene at Denjin has many of the same players (5 Star plays all the time, Pyro is back, Frankie3s shows up from time to time, and up until recently, Vic used to play a lot), as well as many up and comers (Vinny, Let Blood Run), but its not the same scene FFA had, and its hard to have the same kind of hype FFA had with SF4 out.
Ha ha haa. Rock left before there was even word of Denjin, invalid. Shadini an important figure…? No. Denjin didn’t kill shit. I don’t know if some people are blind or not, but the major tourneys at denjin have been some of the biggest and most exciting things people have gone to. That’s truth.
I started at ffa when it was all about geo and after he left other people rose up and etc. Same thing is always going to happen. Things are going to rise and fall, rise and fall.
The new games if you haven’t noticed are very carebear and 3s doesn’t reward you for mashing or sucking like mio said basically. But I don’t like how people that only go to an arcade maybe once a month and don’t even make it to tourneys talk like they know whats what.
3s died?
So I have a habit of following Pherai’s posts on srk cuz its like reading a cartoon character post on srk…once i saw this thread i felt like i should say something about 3s.
I think a lot of its sucess in popularity was a combination of a few things just falling through at the right time…when I was working at FFA, they had a core group of players that were really strong at 3s and it seem like a lot of other players pretty much fed off of their strength…so I went out and bought a camcorder and recorded some videos of our tournaments and it got little or no attention…I went to Japan for SBO '02 and it was like a religious experience for me…their core players have a love for the game that inspired anyone who was a fan of 3s…KSK showed me how he ran his ranking battles (from point system to video recordings & audio commentating) and I was super hype to get back home and run the first american ranbats.
When I got back, our core players were really hype about the ranbat idea…word got out that we were running japanese style ranbats with commentary and people started to watch and keep track on how their old and new favorite players were doing.
Then Evo had the Daigo parry video hyping up even more players and a bit after that, 3rd strike was relased on ps2…a lot of players were able to buy and play at home instead of playing on a crappy burnt Dreamcast version…I think that pretty much gave 3s new life…Youtube pretty much extended its life since it was easier to upload and display videos online
I still dont think 3s is dead…people seem to jump on the hype train a lot and this year its all about sf4…I think people are comparing sf4 player entrance to 3s which isnt fair since 3s never got the kind of attention and exposure sf4 did…a lot of sf4 players are playing street fighter games for the first time and they’re not familiar with other capcom fighters like 3s, st, cvs2 and so on…but hey thats still cool too…that just means more new players are being exposed to streetfighter tournaments for the first time…as a street fighter tournament organizer, I’ve always wanted more gamers to be aware that there are street fighter tournaments out there…not just counter strike, starcraft and wow
I still think 3s is a great game…I play it a lot more than i play sf4…as for our local scene, well I know that Denjin has its core players thats ready for a new ranbat season…as long as there are players willing to play the game, I’ll be here to support it as much as I can :wgrin:
i am a veteran AND a pro and i quit because of school
pretty much if you’re not playing, it’s not of your own volition, it’s because life takes over and it’s out of your control
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Funny, 3S is still insanely popular in Canada, and despite SF4 having a larger player base, the quality of players playing 3S here as opposed to SF4 is drastically in 3S’s favor.
hm, i want to visit canada :encore:
Driving 1200 miles to move close to Denjin arcade, 3s is just that fucking amazing, anyone saying this game is dead or dying is completely wrong. The game has really passionate players that REALLY love this game, as long as we have those players around, the game will never die.
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I love 3S so much I would never stop playing! I honestly believe the game is too much of a gem and I don’t see it dying out anytime in the future.
I like the uniqueness of the characters’ play-styles, and the tiers do not bother me in the slightest as it’s always fun to beat a Ken/Chun/Yun/etc with a Necro/Twelve/Q/etc.
Here’s the formula wait for DLC and a scene will start up because of more people playing, like MvC2 springing back, SF4 became bigger because of the online aspect. Garou is starting to get a bigger following because of this.
a couple of rebalancing of 3s, a release with online combat, and well some clever marketing can rejuvenate anything, hell it rejuvenated Ultimate MK3
SF4 is more noob friendly than 3s is.
SF4 has online play without the need to parry
SF4 is the game after SF3.
Thats reason enough.
Oh yeah, they put 3s as the first of the Evo Finals at 9am…before soul calibur, before guilty gear, etc…
and they made it 2v2 teams at evo? Recipe for disaster.
I’ve been trying to start playing and it’s hard to find a way in. You can practice parrying and comboes but with everyone playing for 10 years now its impossible for me to play anyone who knows what their doing without getting almost perfected. This means its harder than ever for new players to get in the game, so maybe people who leave aren’t being replaced so the community seems to be shrinking. Plus SF4 and whatnot.
Edit: This came off really scrubby but I don’t know how else to word it. I haven’t played this game in a while and trying to learn to play again is like hitting a brick wall agin. Thats it in a nutshell.
Truth, graduating and not being able to play on campus + work with 50-60 hour work weeks = goodbye games.
The love for the game should keep you going. And for beginners against experienced players, well, you are SUPPOSED to lose. It would be pretty ridiculous for an experienced player at ANYTHING losing to a noob. Third Strike has a high learning curve so expect to lose for awhile if you are a beginner/noob.
You make sense, though, this is WHY games live SF4 thrive while gems like 3S only have select players. I used to think (before internet because everyone at the arcades were hardcore players ) people liked putting time and effort into something they have a passion for to get good enough to compete/beat more experienced players for a rush/satisfied feeling, but I quickly realized after years online that there are a lot of players who just want to win and that is satisfying enough.
I don’t mind playing ( basically severely beating) noobs at 3S or anything else I enjoy, either they will come back to get better or go onto something else. Not everyone has a passion for the competitive things they do and would rather just win all the time, which is fine, but I prefer playing with others that appreciate what they are trying to beat me at (rather win or lose).
Yeah, I don’t expect to win I’m not new to fighters or the fighting scene at all and I haven’t said that I’m quitting or angry about anything. I’m just saying that often the only people playing at the arcade are vets who can beat me so bad that I don’t learn anything. I know that the game takes practice and I have been practicing. I was just saying its hard starting to play a game against pros
Playing against PROS is a different matter. And yes, practicing and playing with friends and players on same level as you is the best way before moving up against veteran/tourney players.