Why nuki has problems

Yuna · September 26, 2007, 8:02am

D’you think you could come back when you learn some English?

bodler · September 26, 2007, 8:50am

lightning taco!!! sexy kick!! blazing corn!!!

scrubydan · September 26, 2007, 9:07am

blah blah blah go play with yourself in a corner :arazz:

bodler · September 26, 2007, 6:10pm

masturbating is bad:wasted:

nothingxs · September 26, 2007, 10:03pm

bodler:

wait a sec…randomsuper…how can a character suck at running on and grabbing? its the same with all the characters. and nothingx, how can sticking a million poke is a form of faking? hes doing the same thing over and over…look at all his matchs, its the same ol thing. hes the kind of player that all you have to do to break his confidence is pic a character that you put him out of his confort zone like vega or blanka etc. Just watch the way Daigo plays, and then compare it to Nuki, youll see what i mean whem im talking about beeing able to play with the oponents mind.

Nuki is not really using strategy, and if he is, the only strategy hes using is poking the shit out of his oponents and then ragin demoning him. hes just really aggressive with no technique. And again i never said he sucks, i say he would be better if he played with more intelligence.

How is his form of playing NOT intelligent? He does something that clearly works against everyone he plays.

So why has it been so hard for EVERYONE to consistently counter his style of play? Surely, it’s because of his non-intelligent play.

Anyways, as I finished writing the above, I ended up reading the rest of this thread and realized you’ve all moved on. I’d like to leave you with a piece of advice, bodler, and that is to get a fucking clue.

bodler · September 26, 2007, 11:16pm

nothingx…why did you have to bring the bad aura back? see now when i say its people thats trying to pump me up? then you guys are gonna say that im the one that sucks? why dont you just stop trying to bring the conflict back.

i dair somebody to say that im the idiot now, blame evrything on nothigx, hes the one bringing back the conflict…as you can see

MrBuster · September 27, 2007, 2:27am

No, I’m going to say that your an idiot because you’ve spelled “dare” as “dair”, and forgetting another “e” in “everything”. Who the fuck taught you how to spell? This guy… http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d194/BugEyed/retard-1.jpg. Please spell check your shit for the love of christ.

bodler · September 27, 2007, 2:50am

seems like goku has some new enemies…but…as always…goku always stands victorious nomatter what, as long as the dragonballs are here. bring it…freeza…or cell…or whoever you are…dr gero…MrimakedicksBusterforfree

MrBuster · September 27, 2007, 3:17am

Oh Lord, you are not even worth my grammatical effort to beast on you right now. You going against me is like Rosie O’ Donnell Vs. an apple pie. I’ll eat you ALIVE, son…

And as Lobelia Boy said… Good Day.

bodler · September 27, 2007, 3:54am

yes ok mrdickbuster…ok…now that u feel proud about urself…you can go now…thank you for this brief intermition…see you next time.

MrBuster · September 27, 2007, 4:14am

I’m surprised you haven’t just ran headfirst straight into a bus as of yet. Your ignorance just knows no boundaries. In your spare time, do you just sit in your room like a buddhist monk honing in on the bliss of ultimate stupidity. Nevermind, you had to come to this forum to work on those amazing skills of yours. But as stated before, the truth of your ignorance has already been beaten to death and passed on. So basically anything you say now will forever be taken with a grain of salt.

And under you screen name… Its Dhalsim. LoL its like shooting a dead fish thats been laying on the ground for three days.

bodler · September 27, 2007, 5:00am

you truly are an idiot…i cant put dhalsim because there is not enough space to write the whole thing you idiot, nice try on trying to make me look dumb.

i though you said im not even worth your gramatical effort…yet you come 5 seconds later trying to make me cry? hahahahahah…keep it coming…you guys make me laugh. Goku never dies…bitch

seasofcheese929 · September 27, 2007, 5:14am

Alright, I’m starting to notice some trends here. The lack of substance in all of his vague arguments…The horrible grammar…the DBZ references…Has it occured to anyone else that Bodler here is some 14 year old middle school kid who simply doesn’t have the experience to realize what an ass he’s making out of himself?

MrBuster · September 27, 2007, 5:24am

You are completely right sir… I just thought even a 14 year old kid could not even be this stupid, so I thought it was right to assume that he is just plain retarded. What is the universe coming to?

bodler · September 27, 2007, 5:28am

no. im somebody who is clearly messing with yall because you guys are the ones who are more pathetic then i am if you reall think about it, i stated an argument about a player wich i thought could use something more to his already dominant gameplay, looking for some with or againts arguments, while most of yall just sent comments telling me how stupid i am, wich clearly shows that instead of trying to refute my argument, you insult me…very intelligent. and then? after the smoke clears…some dumb idiot named nothingx brings bad the bad aura, then this other idiot named MrBuster follows up, wich shows that you guys are the one strying to start the conflicts, not me…im just trying to find arguments against or with my thesis, wich i already found, but there will always be a mister Bodler Hitler who will try to make me cry…lol.

so since right now thats all you guys are trying to do…to make me cry…i mess around…like some 14 yead old middle school dbz fanboy shitbox make

seasofcheese929 · September 27, 2007, 5:41am

nothingxs:

i think you’re forgetting something very important here.

and that’s the fact that he wins more than anyone else on this forum, probably. he wins a lot more than a ton of other players in japan. he does have a mixup game, and he does “fake people out,” it is simply in a way you do not quite understand, and at a level you probably can never hope to achieve.

not only that, but sticking out a million pokes is, in itself, already a form of mixup. by playing in a specific, straightforward way, you can train your opponent to react to certain situations in specific ways. when they think they’ve caught on, you can take the appropriate actions to force your opponent into thinking that your “simple strategy” is actually incomprehensibly effective.

you’re just seeing a tiny part of the picture and missing the entire point because of it.

Hail_And_Kill:

Ok this has gotten way out of hand…

Nuki is a top player in CVS2, his style is crazy rush down, thats how he pressures you. Textbook wise, you shouldn’t lose to nuki if youre a good player and if hes going crazy, but obviously in reality this fool makes you panic. and for the fact hes not intelligent, hes hella smart. Just cuz he plays crazy, doesn’t mean hes not smart. You can NOT judge a player just by videos, everyone should know this shit by now. look at buktooth, fool rolls all day, you say “why not just throw him?”, ITS HELLA HARD.

Bodler - I dont want you to respond to this, just read it and think about it. Playing vs someone is WAY WAY different than just watching videos. Things arent how they seem like…I hope you soon realize this in the near future.

randomsuper:

you literally provide nothing but maybe’s and i’m 90 percent sure it would work. a random grab here and there will obviously work somewhere, sometime, but you are still beyond wrong. all i’m gonna say is (no offense rick you ultra power bottom) if rick stavley is beating you, you shouldn’t be posting opinions on anything, because he’s just an ok cvs2 player at best, so that would make you a scrub. 1st rule of srk is scrub opinions are worth dick. they get dominated and then you hear the usual cry of “it’s my opinion and it’s valid and blah blah blah.” this is not a question of opinion though. i think most people will agree that nuki has taken n akuma as far as he can go, or at least as far as is capable right now, and for you to talk shit is kind of retarded.

show me one n akuma player that wins anything using your patient akuma strat. he doesn’t exist. you’d have to go to narnia to find that guy because he’s not here in this dimension. the only akumas that are even remotely successful are the ones that overwhelm their opponent and basically steal nuki’s tactics.

MrBuster:

Poke…Grab… Poke, Poke…Grab… Grab…Poking Grab… True tactics of a champion. I don’t even know how I ended in the Akuma thread because I prolly will never intend to use him, but seriously your mindless nonsense is rediculous. Just from this past evo, I did have the opportunity to play Nuki and his so believed “Unintelligent” playing style. There is a method behind the madness that is far beyond your understanding. HIS RUSHDOWN IS INTENSE… And due to the fact that Akuma is not one of the most buffed up characters when it comes to his defense, rushdown is a strong tactic for him. Nuki proves consistantly that his tactics WORK, so basically its a case of " If it ain’t broken… DON’T FUCKING FIX IT". The simple fact is that what you see on video and what you see in ACTUAL gameplay are truly two different things. And for myself actually playing him, he knew exactly what to throw out which was safe, caused pressure, made me panic, and basically led to him kicking my ass. The only thing I can say that I was happy about is that I was a few pixels away from knocking him out of pools in losers… But thats my own personal high lol. But to sum this all up, theory fighter doesn’t work here and as for the little tidbits you think would help his gameplay… I’m pretty sure he already tested that out for himself to find out which is a more successful tactic. Again, Nuki is not a top player just for the hell of it. Muhfucka WINS!!!

pyro_dragun:

Well, now that I’m posting in here, your only the second least skilled.

This thread is too entertaining.

I already knew who Nuki was from 3s, but I hadn’t seen his Akuma before, so I went and youtubed him, and Nuki’s Akuma looks very solid, and from my limited knowledge of CvS2, I don’t think Akuma is meant to be played the way Bodler is describing for a couple of reasons. One is that a less offensive akuma is less likely to force more mistakes out of panics. Two, in CvS2, throws are pretty easy to tech… even I can do them, and I suck at the game. Maybe it’s just me, but when my roommate plays Akuma, I tend to do worse against it when he just “rushes that shit down” and keeps applying pressure.

Anyways, bodler, I think Nuki’s experience and knowledge of this game translates to how he plays his Akuma, and since he is able to compete with the best, he has some reason for not playing his akuma by doing the crap you suggested. Maybe it just isn’t effective at high level play? Besides, as of right now, you are making a complete fool out of yourself bodler.

randomsuper:

yea, but interesting or not, what you think will make his akuma better will in fact only make it worse. a general statement like “he should use more grab mix ups in his game” might sound logical, but in reality, it’s taking away from the characters strengths and the players play style. watching a video doesn’t really tell you much about why a player is good and it’s really easy to watch a vid and say he shoud have done this here and he shouldn’t have done this there. at the end of the day, no one plays perfect theory fighter cvs2, and i still think that more often than not the things that you think are random dumb shit will work because over the course of a match you’re developing a feel for your opponents patterns as well as attempting to condition the person you’re playing against to react certain ways to what you’re doing. it’s hard to explain unless you’ve been playing at a level that i just don’t think you see yet, so it’s very difficult to appreciate it. in regards to the level of comp you’ve played, trust me when i say that you are in the very shallow end of the talent pool as far as cvs2 is concerned.

GunterJPN:

I can’ t believe this thread is still going on. Just look at it logically. If you switch to a throw, what happens? A) it connects, B) it gets teched, C) it gets reversed.

In situation A, which is the best possible scenario, you just gave up ground. You have to get back in again and start all over. In the end, you’re going to be doing the same thing that Nuki does in the first place - running c.jabs/shorts. Obviously, situations B and C get you fucked, and for the character with the lowest life in the game, that’s not good. Not to mention that you just reset their stun meter.

Now look at what a c.jab or c.short will get you. If you do those instead of a throw, what happens? A) it connects, B) it gets blocked, C) it gets reversed.

Let’s look at situation B first. It gets blocked. Oh well. Do it again.
How about situation C? Oh wow, it’s the same consequence as going for a throw. The difference is (and it’s a huge difference) is that the c.jabs and c.shorts are faster and harder to reverse.

Now the best case scenario - a c.jab or c.short connects. You can hit confirm that into a couple of more. You can combo a sweep off that. You can combo a DP off that. The DP leads to more mixups, or you just go back to rushing down.

The best possible scenario for a connected throw does 1700 damage for a punch throw and 2000 damage for a kick throw. It resets the stun meter and doesn’t set up anything outside of the corner.

The best possible scenario for a connected c.jab leads to over 3000 damage (c.jab x2, c.roundhouse, short hurricane, fierce dp is what I came up with, for 3400 damage, but I’m not an Akuma player so I dunno what’s the best possible damage). Obviously this means over 30 stun. It sets up air fireball mixups for more potential damage.

I forget. WHY should you go for a throw again?:rolleyes:

aks216:

bodler: you’re acting like he never throws with akuma.

have you seen this video?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5xnlP_sTTXs

it’s nuki vs. ricky ortiz. and ricky ortiz is EASILY top 3 cvs2 player in the U.S. this was taken last year.

he plays perfectly fine with akuma. i dunno what you want him to do. throw more?

you say nuki doesn’t play intelligently. have you ever seen the last samurai? the one japanese dude goes up to tom cruise and is like…“TOO MANY MIND, TOO MANY MIND, NO MIND”. shit nigg, that’s how nuki is playing…he’s playing smart, he just doesn’t play with a brain. wait, shit, ok, he plays with a brain but not with a heart? damnit, i just done lost myself. ok, what i’m trying to get at is, nuki does not think a LOT about what he wants to do, he just does it and follows through with it. the thing most players get caught up in is thinking twice about what they wanna do, and by that time, sometimes it’s too late.

nuki is definitely a smart player. honestly, it just seems to me that you’re not really understanding why he ISN’T throwing. there’s a LOT of reasons why he isn’t. if he doesn’t get the throw, he just lost quite a bit of momentum, and that is crucial to akuma’s game. another reason why he might not wanna throw is because he prolly just doesn’t feel that he has that opportunity. it’s a lot harder than you think, he just isn’t close enough. if you watch the video above, in the 2nd match, he DOES bust out a throw, but he was in good range too. during rushdown, with every jab, every attack, he’s getting pushed away, so the ONLY chance he’d get to throw is after his first attack, but for the MOST part, good players watch for that shit.

just remember, too many mind…no mind.

Hellion:

Hey guys.

Bodler, man there are only 2 types of attacks in the game…
things that hit, and throws right?

They say here that top players tech throw a lot more than not 'cause throws are easy enough to spot when you’re that experienced enough, and with Akuma the risk vs reward AGAINST top players he simply can’t do that until he feels his opponent’s brain has turned to mush, if ever.

Been a while since I’ve seen the mans vids, but he uses all sorts of mixups, more than what you’ve stated in this entire thread.
He uses empty low jump c.lks, throws in low j.hks, has air fireball mixups (tiger kneed in N groove IIRC, hard to do), a constant barrage of attacks which both whittles down your guard bar and keeps whatever stun dealt with the constant barrage so he has a stronger chance of landin his untechable Raging Demon, which he has a book of setups for hard wired into his brain through practice.

So when you think about it, for Akuma especially there are more than 2 types of attacks in the game…
hi hits, low hits, counter hits, guard crush strings (all leading to Akuma style damage) throws, tech throws,
and of course his signature move that’s uniquely his:
Demon

The game is more than just a tech throw here and there after a constant barrage of attacks hoping to fool your opponent because they’re smart enough to block. It’s about sensing whether or not the flow of the match is in your hands or not, and making it so if it isn’t.

You keep comparing Diego to this guy, but Diego’s character selections demand a different play style from what you’re expecting of N-Akuma.

Been a while since I’ve played, so my skill and “technique” are probably in the pits right now but hell I’ll ride over to wherever you’re at and own you if I feel the match is mine.

See all these quotes? All of these are arguments against you. Don’t say we’re just insulting you, because all these people wasted their time trying to defend the way Nuki plays. And yet you still continue to ignore all this information and rant like an idiot anyway. I don’t know what to do anymore. Go ahead and keep making an ass out of yourself, dude. You’re on your own.

MrBuster · September 27, 2007, 5:50am

*** Sigh*** To set records straight, at first there were no insults at you. There were simply logical, and PROVEN examples of why your tactics won’t work. But you, with this ego of yours just repetitively repeat your logic of trying to " Fake Out" an opponent as you state. You can’t prove your tactics are viable to implement in the improvement of Nuki’s play, nor your own ( since you cannot provide video nor accept a challenge from another member because you bitched out). So please, save the " ZOMG, why is everyone trying to bully me and make me look stupid" shit, because you clearly brought it upon yourself. And now you want to be all butt-hurt and look for sympathy because I mentioned that your spelling is as horrible as a 2nd grader and your most recent post is proof to my assumption. Am I wrong???

But to make you feel bodler: Yes, you are a great CVS2 player; you are the king of comebacks; And most certainly… YOU ARE NOT A BITCH!!! I’m sorry, but I’m going to hurt myself with all this sarcasm.

Edit: You basically beat me to it seasofcheese… Nicely played

seasofcheese929 · September 27, 2007, 5:54am

I try :wgrin:

bodler · September 27, 2007, 7:17am

seasofchees, why dint you quote when i civilisedly answered to those arguments,without insulting anybody? and about the challenge with randomsuper…i never said i refused, if anybody wants to play then may he come, just im not gonna travel 5000000 miles to play some forum guy who thinks im a scrub. if you wanna challenge me then come to fort myers and see for yourself if i ma scrub or not or hold your peace by talking shit in this tread. Mr Buster…how do you know that im not a great cvs2 player? and you say i suck at comebakcs? ive been in a 1 vs all of you battle at comingback with all the shit u guys trew at me…im a bitch, yes im a bitch to stand up againts all of you, you should be calling yourself a bitch, since your the one joinging the million vs one group.

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and plus, even if i repeated the same thing after what some people said…why would you even bother even trying to comeback? i said it maytimes…i will not change my opinion, doesnt matter what you say, and there was a point where i set the record straight and i accepted that this tactic could not be done with akuma and etc and i said that because of that i personnally would not chose akuma in a high level battle and i would rather chose Geese. but after this some dude had to put back the oh Bodler is a peace of shit thing and thats where it started again.

so i dont care what you say or he or she says or anybody says…i dont care what yout think or anybody in this forum thinks about me…i really dont…the more you guys talk shit about me the more it makes me laugh to see how some freaking forum people are trying to kill themselves trying to convince me that im stupid, just keep it coming i dont care…im just gonna come back like i did during this whole tread. LOL like some forum freaks Mr Buster shit are gonna change me…gimmie a break man.

pyro_dragun · September 27, 2007, 7:36am

Charlie and the mothafucking Chocolate Factory to the rescue son! That was one of my favorite childhood books/movies. Good quote seasofcheese.