I’m 27, and the timing is about right. Most job searches I did for senior positions were looking for 5+ years of experience, and I graduated roughly 5+ years ago. The trick is to study for interviews like a mother fucker. Good luck!
Yes, Bill G is a dick. The founders of the startup company I worked for were all ex microsoft. So they got to participate in meetings with him from time to time. Bill would say shit like “That’s the dumbest fucking idea I’ve ever heard”. Yeah, he’d cuss people out and call them morons. And since he was CEO and made tons of money, they’d sit there and take it. Funny enough, this management style has pretty much trickled down to a lot of Microsoft, especially Indian managers (Just a guess I think its the caste system which has ingrained that subordinates suck the higher up’s dicks, and the higher ups act like a dick to subordinates). This is why jobs should not determine importance, people act like complete jerks.
I dunno about rest of america, but on west coast, if you find a decent firm, you are basically starting out in the “low” six figures, and work your way up.
It isn’t that hard to squeak by in law school and get a job with the government or some low-tier firm. The better students start at low 6 figures as a starting salary and work their way up.
“most lawyers” doesn’t mean much. a massive amount of the people who become lawyers just go to law school because maybe they have an interest, or they don’t know what else to do. it’s not really an accomplishment to become a lawyer.
i say this because most competent lawyers make much more than 60-80, depending on their field. if you are a good lawyer you will make a lot of money. A good lawyer is very rare, though, rarer than they might seem to those uninformed about the field. I have a few friends who are 28-30 and drive maseratis and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on art.
if you were serious about the being unable to spend the money because of time committed post (which im pretty sure you werent, but just in case) making over a hundred dollars an hour and working among your peers is really, really cool. the lawyers i talk to love their job, cant wait to go to work every morning. and they sure as helllllllllll find time to spend the money.
thats my two cents on the lawyer thing. as with any profession, you can get real lucky or you can be real good and make a lot more money than the “average” person in your field.
edit: lothar, one thing that you should also consider is that working at a large firm in a big city may give a starting salary of 100k (actually, it likely will give that much) but advancement is slow and a lot of that money goes towards paying the really high cost of living in, say, NYC. a friend of mine started in the field of criminal law at 60k, then every year for three years nearly doubled that because he was extremely good (172 LSAT, after five years he has a 98% win rate in court) while his friends that made 110 their first year are still making that much. you are only a small cog (not that i’m in any way trying to bring down corporate law, i’m doing that myself) but opportunities for good lawyers abound everywhere.
one of my best friends is graduating from u of chicago law and she wants to be a public defender pulling in around 50-60K…this is despite the fact that the private firms are banging the door down throwing the 6 figures at her. yeah i facepalmed when she told me this.
Lawyers will make more money because it is easy to evaluate their worth to a firm. You just have to measure how many hours they can bill from working on a client’s case + any new clients they bring into the firm. Calculate that out and you have the value. Engineers and doctors it is harder because it is harder to individualize the work they are doing. Even in huge law firms, the partners are basically working on their own.
I would like to be in-house counsel for a corporation or do business transactional stuff.
lol i was mostly joking. but i got a friend who works for a VC firm in Cali, makes ridiculous bank, but hates it because of the long hours. he is worked like a dog. he’s a CS major like me, so he’s worked both in software and law, and he prefers the more laid back software jobs. the salary in software obviously caps out much more quickly, so he wants to someday quit his law job and start his own company.
yeah its really a personal thing. some people find that even lots of money can’t offset the dislike of long hours. some people love it. to each his own.
Sexperienced, TEO is cool guy, his heart is in the right place and he speaks what he thinks. Unlike a lot of fake bitches in the UK scene. Trust me, UK scene got NOTHING on US or JAP scene, even if I’m from there take my word for it. There are so many dumb fucking tools out here makes me wanna say whutt all the time.
And yeah Sovie3t I always thought of you being a decent poster, the fuck is up with the troll threads? You know SRK got it all, from people making threads for donations to high flying ballers with mad hoes. The fuck you spamming for man?
if i ever get rich, I am hiring either one of them skywriters or one of those planes that drags a message behind it. Or both. And it will laugh at everybody who isn’t rich. Seriously, I win the lottery, I just get planes to write “fuck all of you I am rich” in the sky with clouds and shit
There is no “real life” concerning SRK. Like the free masons of yore, what matters of importance is SRK the community for it is every encompassing and engrossing, and within this realm the most important one is the brotherhood of each other. What is real life to us? SRK is.
