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I agree with this post.

I also think that Chun-li is Balrog’s hardest fight.

As for the new char I think Cody gives Balrog the most trouble.

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Chun is balrogs hardest match up in super Ive found so far. As for my personal hard match ups…guile, Abel and this one is suprising but dee jay is troublesome also along with juri. These are the characters I lose to the most on live.

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Juri’s not hard one theres a knock down

Guile is a bitch but as long as your persistent, you can win

Dee Jay is a bit hard for me because of those Fireball FADC cross ups

Chun is a bitch to play but really, one knock down is all either of you need

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Sim Rog is in Rog’s favour last I checked, and rightly so. Sim has little to no answer for a Rog ontop of him and even less if Rog has the lifelead and hanging back, which is the flipside to how the Sim would want it as their entire purpose in the match is to poke’n’prod for a lead and runaway seeing as he gets annihilated up close.

You get the occasional Sim who likes to play aggressively but against Rog thats playing to Rog’s strength and not Sim’s.

There’s a difference between “X Character is hard for Balrog” vs “X Character is hard for ME as Balrog”. Example, I used to struggle very VERY hard with Blanka purely because sod all people played him when I was around and that meant I had little/no experience against them when they cropped up - And yet that matchup is extremely in Rog’s favour. Just how it goes. I actually enjoy the Dhalsim match these days. It teaches me to remain PATIENT which is one of my hugest downfalls and it’s always satisfying getting one over on a character designed to play ‘stay away’ - it’s a refreshing change from the thousands of Ryu’s, Sagats etc I see daily.

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I agree I love facing sim now at frist hated facing sim in ssf4 now his one of my match up facing sim., and cosign about seeing the thounsand of ryu,and sagats

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Exactly. Midway through my SF4 experience, regardless of my level, I felt that every 4th-5th game was someone else but the rest where Shoto’s - This led to boredom with the game as there wasn’t much to seperate each shoto player as we were all mid/low level and the differences where minor. Eventually I gave up and took a break which further cemented my inability to play against anyone other than Shoto’s when they eventually cropped up on my return.

I still wish for a good long set with Abel, Rufus, Rose, Dhalsim, Gen purely because they’re so rare - In addition I really need experience vs GOOD Blanka (Even though I absolutely LOATH fighting him - Most on GFWL play dire or repeatatively to the point where I can beat most even with my inexperience), Fei Long (Not overly keen on that match), Seth (Another Loathsome mathup I tend to prefer avoiding) and Zangief, somewhat comfortable with that one but not enough to truly claim I’m happy to fight him and know what I’m doing.

Everyone else typically chooses Ryu, Ken, Sagat and quite a number of Chun-Li’s - I played one earlier today for 20 games as I beat him before and was looking to test his newly learned tricks - You can imagine how much I rolled my eyes when he claimed Balrog was such a hard counter for Chun-Li considering it’s typically the opposite when the Chun knows the matchup.

Guile can get under my skin when in the hands of a generally defensive orientated style though it’s still 50/50 for me and I’m aware, as a Vanilla player, that the advantage is in my favour as Balrog but still, it can be enjoyable and teaches me patience.

To this day MY worst matchups are Sagat, certain Blanka’s, certain Seth’s and certain Dictators - I will annihilate any of them if they have no clue but specific people have been good enough to bring some skill along and teach me a lesson. Ironic how two of above matchups are in Rog’s favour and one is even-stevens, only one of them is disadvantage Boxer and yet I’d beat more Sagats than I would Blanka’s purely because I have some matchup experience.

In speculation of Balrog as a character, I wager Sagat, Guile, Chun-Li are his iffy/threats with Chun-Li being up on the top of that list, the rest are either even or Rog favoured (I’m not a SUPER player but above is with SUPER in mind - I’m aware Sagat got nerfs but I’m pretty sure he can still give Rog a good run for his money with two equally skilled players).

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Funny it’s the same for me !
At the begining i was scared of Guile, Chun-Li and Sim. Now i’m happy to play them cause i often win, and start to like this kind of patient match :slight_smile:
Now my worst match up are Sagat and Blanka (i talk about more 4000pp players).
And i think the match up is 5/5 for Sagat, and 4/6 for Blanka !

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i know the feeling bout blanka matchup some blankas give me hardtime. guile give me hard depanding what playstyle they bring to the table.If its sonic boom wh0re fine balrog has enough tools to kill that style it’s the smart guile that give me that knows what his doing different,but i get hype for those kind of matches . sim if im patient / aggersive at the right time i’ll win same goes for honda. seth i don’t really care cause all i need is one knock down to pretty much seal there fate. chunlie battle of footies for me
. new characters alot times i’ll win cause none of them don’t enough tools to really beat rog whose smart/ aggersive/ patient.
like what one guy said in balrog matup forum ,and i agreewith that alot of rog players, have that mindset of jab jab jab jab all the time,and try be to flashly ,and with that thinking your lose.
my biggest matchup problem is mirror match i hate them so much.
p.s i roll my eyes too when im facing ken or ryu.
cause often it b flowchart ken.
or ryu player who thinks his daigo

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As a frequent Balrog player I’m going to have to say the worst matchup (in my opinion of course) would be Guile. Tier lists will probably have it at 6-4. I used to main Bison, and Guile v Bison is 7-3 on tier lists and I think Balrog is slightly better than Bison. Guile has the complete set of tools to keep anyone out, and a character like Balrog, at least the way I play him has to be in your face for maximum effectiveness. Guile can spam out sonic booms for free while Rog sits there like an idiot trying to get in, you jump, flash kick or cr. fierce will put your ass back. He has like very small amounts of lag on just about every move he has.

I’d say the next character would be Zangief. Anything Zangief does beats Rog. If he whiffs a lariat up close, dashes get beat. While he’s doing the lariat, you can’t even jab unless you have the perfect timing or it’ll hit you. Lariat stops jump ins, dashes, pretty much anything. I believe it’s 6-4 on the tier lists.

Then I’d say Chun-Li. Her devasting, but easy to pull off, mix up game of highs, lows, and overheads will fuck Rogs. The average Rog will sit on charge a whole game so it can definitely throw you off. She also zones very well and will poke the shit out of you. She can also build meter zoning you out, and then thing I feel is a huge threat is that she can punish dashes with the Super she builds from zoning you out in the first place. The thing is, I will capitalize on the fact Chun-Links doesn’t have a real AA so I jump in on that girl all day.

I do understand the points on people saying Sagat but it’s weird. I personally beat the bulk of Sagats I come across. He has all the tools but he has bad lag on his fireballs which can easily be punished with an EX dash move or a jump in from mid screen.

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Hmm. Interesting point. The both of us know our characters well, and I definitely understand what you’re saying. But I think that what you say about knockdown offense and such ties into the entire match-up. I believe tier lists and such are based on every aspect of the match. That being, what moves beat what, how to counter this, actual character attributes, just everything. With that being said, lariats generally beat any dash I’ve seen, and like you said Rog has no wake-up game, so once Rog is down this game is almost entirely Gief’s. I think that, combined with the attacks that Gief has which beats Rog ties into the match-up. I know on the tier list this match-up is 6-4 Gief, and I think it makes sense. His moves overall beats Rog’s, and once my man Rog is down, Zangief works him. But I do understand what you’re trying to say though.

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I think the worst matchups are dhalsim and chun, dhlasim can keep you out with his stupid standing fierce and can teleport away as you get close. and chun li you cant pressure when shes got EX otherwise youre gonna be eating an EX SBK plus all those pokes and fireballs, a battle with chun li is all about zoning.

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I don’t find Sim that hard. Guile is by far the hardest for me.

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hmmm…sagat isnt as hard a match 4 rog anymore it isnt easy but rog can pull it out with less opposition than b4…6-4 though hmmm id say more 5-5…gief isnt hard if u know tha match up…really like folks say its chun…a good guile is a prob 2…i personally have problems with hondas but i dont know that match well

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Good sims can be difficult unless you can get in first and start to build meter. And balrog does have a wakeup game. Ex straight on wakeup is awesome for avoiding jump ins on your wakeup

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i still think gief is hard. i dont’ care what anyone says. jap giefs agree and hearing that pr rog went 0-5 with vangief doesn’t help my confidence. I’m sure there are solid rogs here who think it’s 5-5 or favored to rog… but man whatever. This is one thing i will disagree one for sure.

but outside of gief i’m thinking guile. I used to think chun was bad but, her projectiles you can get through with super/ultra/ex. So if you’re patient it’s a little easier. Guile you can’t. All the ex in the world doesn’t help you when he can sonic boom and s.HP like RIGHt after it murdering any ex attempt (unless you’re a jedi and can see the future).

Sabin tells me rog vs sim is like 5-5 or slightly favored to sim with u2. I can see his thoughts, i played filipino champ a few games and argh so hard to pressure. You gotta be super patient… but i don’t think it’s favored only because you CAN make it in and when you do sim is completely destroyed. I’ve played sabin/champ and anytime i’ve gotten in i have ruined them. But once i’m out it’s like annoying, and sim u2 is so retarded…

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Vangief is a god so I wouldn’t buy that as matchup difficulty verification. This shit is even, just that there are so so so few good Giefs when you run up against one, your like “wtf?”. But a seasoned rog that plays good Giefs on a reg definitely make that shit 5.5-4.5 gief MAX

And other than Chun, Guile, Sagat still has to be up there in top 5 worst. That damage nerf I honestly can’t see it affecting the match up drastically and great, he has U2 now which is not safe jumpable.

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Sagat is still rough. Yeah his TK isn’t as good as his TU doesn’t do big damage but. s.HK is lunacy and just his fireball game overall high/low with rog’s big body isn’t easy. I don’t think it’s as bad as vanilla but it’s still tuff. yes vangief is a god but pr rog is also pretty godly as well.

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imo good seths : / seths are rare but im pretty sure alot of you out there can agree its frustrating takes ALOT of patience more annoying than Sims for me

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Balrog’s worse match ups are the ones where you have to take risks to win. AKA the ones you’re not supposed to win on paper.

I would say Zangief and Chun-Li are his worst match ups. Then again, are they really that bad? Rog has a few tricks against Sim to get him to the corner and deal damage every time he gets there. Chometarou vs Sabin, Pamyu vs Darui.

[media=youtube]2X_mMgBvo40[/media] Focus attack > Rog’s footsies, Akuma’s sweep and st.roundhouse > everything else.

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I think Rog vs Sagat in super is even worse for Rog then it was in Vanilla.