No one was “hating” on Daigo, just mentioning that he doesn’t appear in the big tourneys anymore, and his prime has passed. The logic is the best players of today (the people doing well in big tournaments) are better than the best players of 2 years ago. I’m sure you and others love watching his matches, but the question was, who has the best ken (no matter how badly it was worded), implying right now, not 2 years ago.
Now if you said Diego, I might agree with you.
Diego Arriba!!!
Aririririrairaire Jupf Ajweioaer
#1geesemaster should change his name to #1Kenmasters because he’s so good.
Daigo was the best when he was in his prime, hell her perfected KO, but his prime is long gone. I dont even think the even cares about 2d fighters anymore. I think the best ken in USA would have to be between 5 star, ricky and A hood. I’d say the best in the world right now from what i’ve seen Spellmaster J.
Deshiken is has the best ken now imo
I’m not gonna argue whether he was the best or not in his prime, but 1 match is not an indication of anything.
its “daigo” thats the way its spelled not diego
well just to let u now im the best ken player ever no one has been able to beat me except dishiken
i got a winstreak at cf with ken today im da best~
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nani?
I have the best ken.
Question Answered. Closed.
Mokomokofu and Deshi Ties :china:
Daigo in his prime, Hirai, and Deshiken.
I guess Spellmaster J . Alltho i love Deshiken , his style just fails on him too much.
Also Keeper is a blast to watch.
Honorable mentions to Shie , jap dude i stumbled across on youtube. Very technical and Deshi like I guess. Gotta love that Crossup Ex Tatsu , dash xx j.DP , kara j.DP :lovin:
mokomokofu and chinta hands down. most style and most of all GOLD KENS
I think aremsi posted what I would have said.
Regardless of what you think of Daigo, I don’t believe anyone has a good gauge on his skill because of all the stigmas regarding him. You either think he was just ok (which is a goddamn understatement) or you think he was this undefeatable master (which is an overstatement).
I think spellmaster j is the best ken player worldwide from what I’ve seen.
As for that comment you made pherai you contradict yourself. You say you can’t use one match as an example, well you post the most horrible match for daigo ever and say that’s an example of his skill. That is not your average daigo match, in fact that was a terrible match overall. Even valle usually plays way better. They were both playing terribly and I don’t see how that exemplifies either player.
You miss my point like so many others. I do think Daigo was one of the best 3s Kens in his time, but one of the best 2 years ago doesn’t compare to the best now. That was my point. I don’t think anyone ever said he was ok.
Well, yes and no. See the problem is thats one of the few recorded matches in the past couple years of him playing 3s competitively. He didn’t play much up to that, and doesn’t play much anymore, so there is naturally not a big pool of recent Daigo matches to pull from. I think it is indicative of a decline in execution. It’s not really that great proof, but its pretty naive to think he’s still up there with Deshiken, Hirai, and Spellmaster J when he has been absent from the competitive scene for so long.
If I may interject a little, I’d like to point out that it isn’t that Daigo is slipping off or that he has become bad because of not being on the competetive scene, it’s just that everyone else got a lot better. Plus, Daigo has pulled off so many victories in tournaments and has won so much, what else is there for him to pull off? I would liken it to Tony Hawk’s situation. The man DOMINATED professional skateboarding for a good chunk of the 90’s and then he retired from pro boarding. Does that make him bad if he tries to return and doesn’t preform the way he did earlier in his career when he was younger and had desire?
I think that it was gonna happen eventually that Daigo would get shuffled back. It happens to everyone…but if he got serious again…watch out.
Pherai I feel it’s a little redundant to continue arguing, because I see where you’re coming from, and you seem to more or less do the same. I think your points are valid, but the only point of contention I have is that grading players based on now versus their prime or overall grasp of the game.
If daigo still played competitively I believe he would be at least close to as good as deshiken, spellmaster j and the others. My reasoning is this: newer players rely on tried and true strategies laid down by earlier players. Had deshiken been around and retired the same time daigo had, I don’t think people would consider him superior. Of course Daigo sucked in the last evo, he hadn’t played in a long time and I doubt he even practiced much for it.(yes I know this is entirely subjective and speculative) If he was really into it and practiced like he used to (which I heard was up to like 10 hours a day at the arcade) then he would easily have played amazingly to the last fight. I really don’t think that his return should have been used as a measure of his overall skill, because I personally grade him on his play when he actually practiced.
edit: ok so here’s my metaphor for what I’m talking about. If someone builds a house without a blue print how do you think their house will turn out or how long will it take them to figure out how to make a quality one? Now if someone else starts making houses after seeing this and learns from their trial and error how long will it take them to make their house and what quality will it be?
double edit (I swear this is the last one): I thought of making a skateboarding parallel but after djredrum did I just have to. For those who are familiar with the pros, I liken it to rodney mullen and any modern pro. Rodney mullen invented like half the tricks out there, and while he may not stack up to some of the newer pros, they wouldn’t have half the tricks or concepts if it weren’t for him.
I don’t know if I’m conveying my points very well, but that’s more or less my two cents.