Which character(s) have the best normals and footsie potential in the game?

Sim says hello.

Well obviously there’s exceptions; what I meant to say is most footsie based characters are heavily reliant on a good walkspeed/mobility (Vega, Chun, Bison, Akuma).

Fei hasn’t got a very fast walkspeed though.

Yeah but the follow up rekka for any connect hit do the job his legs fail at. Moving him closer in your face. For others if you’re not at the right range, no follow up, you just get away with a poke.

why is Chun so mediocre when her normals and walkspeed are relatively good?

Vega, Chun, Bison,and Fei. Fei’s walk speed does not matter as much as rekka and stlp buffered rekkas cover all the space he needs in footsies and allow him to punish a lot of things the majority of the cast can’t punish without fast supers/ultras. Ryu and Akuma get special mentions for crMK and sweep. Best normals=/= footsie potential, Sagat and Dhalsim have godlike keepaway normal pokes, but they dont really have footsies because of their walk speed. And I think to have the strongest footsies overall you need strong and good pokes at all ranges, Gief’s Mediums and lights are great fast pokes, but they all have the same range, which makes it easy to keep Gief out with longer ranged normals like Chun’s stHK and Fei’s crHP.

Low damage output, low hp, very weak wake up game with the exception of focus backdash, and weak defensive options besides backdash in general and reversal requires meter. Her fireball game loses to most plasma chuckers unless she gets U1. Her mixups are highly telegraphed with the exception of the universal tick throw,frame trap, empty jump low setups or double or instant overhead. She has problems with focus too, and lacks a good crossup/ambiguous confirmable jumpin. She has a great set of normals which are oppressive especially when covered by her fireball vs non fireball characters, she’s very good in the neutral game, but once you land one focus or knockdown she will struggle. Her weak mixups dont help in this game too.

T.Hawk has excellent normals…close to the best but his walkspeed isn’t good.

Thoughts on greasy Hakan?

Keep it greasy so it’ll go down easy.

Too bad they’re fucking useless against your character.

God damn anti-air slide beating everything Hawk does…

Very situational anti airs, and lol wakeup game when she gets knocked down :frowning:

Sim, Chun, Bison, Fei and Vega = Godlike poke for me
Ryu, Gen, Ken, Balrog, Guile = Great
Akuma, Rose, Yun = Nice
Adon, Sakura = S.HK FTW
Zief = Ok

The rest is just meh…

Ryu, Ken and Guile are great but Rose is just nice?

weird… the above 2 posters are the only posters to mention guile. i dunno who has the best normals but fei is the only character i cant push forward against, im always finding myself being forced into the corner.

Chun, Vega, Gen, Dhalsim has what i consider the best set of normals (Dhalsims being more situational). I think people are sleeping on Gens footsie potential, he can even play footsies with Vega and do well, he’s got awesome AA normals and lots of his pokes can be made safe by canceling into hands (fadc/super optional followup. I feel that while Vega and Chun has the slight advantage on the ground, Gen makes up for that by having access to solid AAs. Mantis cr.hp beats pretty much any jumpin that is not extremely close (Sakuras j.hk (?) is an exception, as is other jumpins with a hitbox that works like that), and if it is a very close jump crane cr.hk will swat it out of the air. If Gen doesn’t want to gamble he can just waste one bar and use ex Gekiro instead.

Gen is a character I played for a long time and he has a huge library of pokes for different situation, so he never runs into that awkward moment when your one reaaally good poke somehow doesn’t work in matchup X, which is what I found to be the case with characters like Sagat and Bison. Oni is a similar case.

IMO:

Top: Fei Long, Rose, Dhalsim, Gen, Vega, Balrog, Guile
High: Bison, Ryu, Oni, Sagat, Adon (yes I find him overrated ITT), T. Hawk. The rest are all in a sort of averagey grey area. I might have forgotten someone, idk.

I’m not biased, either. I main DJ.

Rose, Chun-Li.

It’s hard to talk about stuff like this because footsies and normals aren’t utilized in a void, they are always accentuated by potential of the special moves you can use as well as a few other factors.

Having played some high level Rose players recently i can safely say that she has some of the best footsies in the game.

chun, gen, and fei

the 3 chinese footsies masters