It dosnt matter if you have more freedom with the characters, those characters just arent intresting. The other SF chars are intresting because of all the established facts they have about them.
Wow, so you want something exactly like the SFA anime (which everyone loved) you’re a genius and so original.
Def Jam Fight 4 NY is a fighting game moron, an actual street fighting game, but given the fact that you actually thought a fighting game was a wrestling games shows how fucking stupid you are.
Wrestling? Please thats one of the five (main) fighitng styles the FIGHTING game has to offer.
I’m willing to bet he can’t write his way out of a wet paper bag.
It’s even better that he’s building himself up to be some kind of Alan Moore.
I <3 the internet <3
Also: He must really like DBZ/GT and Yu Yu Hakisho, 85% of their story is them “training and fighting and why do I fight monologue in their heads while they stand there and do nothing”
Well,Tas.I completely disagree about the third strike characters not being interesting.For someone who is a live and breath street fighter fan,you sure do hate alot of it.Third strike(all of sf 3 in general) was the greatest fighting game to ever exist,and the characters are just badass. No,capcom went ahead and opted for more of a pure,strategic fighting game instead of making it all about the story.I ,for one,find Oro,Q,Necro with effie,Twelve,Urien,Ibuki and Gill,etc. all very interesting designs and characters.Just because they are not the norm, people want to hate on them.Well,I like uniqueness and the third strikers are in every way unique.you want something unoriginal,go watch more of the same ole good guy,bad guy shoot em up movies and stories we get EVERYDAY.
People always complain about never being able to get something a bit diiferent or unique,but when we do,people want to bitch about it.Street fighter all around has been full of great and original characters,and third strike is no exception. Dudley OWNS as a boxer, and Hugo and Poison are a neat team. Necro may be a bit of a rip on blanka and Dhalsim,BUT he is otherwise original and IMO needed in third strike.The story might of needed some work,but like I have heard,this is just an opener for STREET FIGHTER 4.
Oh,and the def jam games SUCK. If you find those better than street fighter in terms of fighting,well you are on a COMPLETELY different page than me.
As opinions are being thrown round I’ll comment, though its only about a certain comment and not saying anything else on any other subject.
I have to say I find the Street Fighter 3 characters interesting as well. Oro - More chicken than man. Elena, Ibuki, Hugo, Remi and Dudley - the only fighter with Dignity. All these are some of my favorite characters I can think of. Though thats mostly talking from a look/design and how they fight stand point. My guess is Tas - and others - don’t find them as interesting as actual characters which isn’t that surprising as there isn’t much on them. But I am looking forward to when they come into the comic. If for no other reason that I haven’t seen any other comic on them aside from a few guest bits in a Hong Kong comic. (Ibuki, Ibuki, Ibuki <-- less then subtle hinting at character I really wanting to see)
Though Street Fighter 3 is also home to my least favorite beat em up character ever - Gill. Whom I loath with all my heart. Well I like one of the lines he says at the beginning of a fight but thats it. I hate him. Hate him! Urien is almost as bad too.
And thats it. I’m not backing anything else said by anyone else or going against any other part.
I can and will easily wait for Street Fighter 3 characters to make there way into the comic but in no way do I think they are less interesting then any of the other street fighters.
I’m pretty sure he was just siting the game as an example.
The other guy was pretty insistant that the story be all about fighting and the riggors of fighting, and training… and Def Jam really has no story, other than fighting on the street.
Hey SagatRyu,I am at action-figure. com everyday. where have you been?
but yeah,I have participated in every single poll so far. and yeah, Apathy-Inc, I am sure Tas was just setting the other game as an example(though I am sure there are much better choices;p) but anyways,I just feel in love with third strike and the character roster.I find the creativity in the characters very interesting. Would love to see what udon has in store for them,BUT much later as I am loving the alpha,post alpha stuff right now. The street fighter 2 tourney can wait a while longer.Give us all the characters and a GOOD amount of pages on them. Keep up the great work,Udon. BTW,picked up the Rose foil yesterday.She was one of my least favorite females,but that cover WOAH. incredible work.
The SF3 chars are (or can be) intresting in terms of gameplay and appearence, however in terms of story they arent, because they have no story to make them intresting, thats what I was talking about.
Im not disagreeing with that.
Uhm no.
Capcom had a more worked out complex story for SF3, but then had to trash it when they had to put back in the SF2 chars (Ryu, Ken, Akuma, Chun Li) so it was a trade off.
Okay lets do a little run down of the SF3 cast, with a combination of fact and opinion.
Necro - Has a very nice distinctive design. Based on one of Dhalsim’s old concepts, but one of the designers took it a step further by wanting to him to look like a circus freak (an intresting idea)
Oro - A diffrient approach to the quarky old guy master character (who usualy tends to look like Master Roshi from Dragonball in most Japanese or Japanese inspired things) The magicaly sealed arm was a nice touch, however its not something you find out about through playing the game. He also seems like he needs a few extra details added to him as well (little things, nothing that would really change his overall design, just add to it)
Elena - Is kinda what you’d expect, aside from the white hair, but something added around her ankles and wrists (like braclets and/or ribbons that flow everywhere when she moved) could really add a better visual aspect to her, although the way she plays, moves, etc, is going to make up for any flaw she has.
Alex - Was suprisingly based off one of Guile’s old designs, and seems as if he could fit perfectly into a Final Fight game. The only thing I would’ve changed or added to his design would be him keeping the black shirt, along with his bomber jakcet (which can be seen in some Alex artwork along with his alternate outfit in CFAS) plus maybe a design on his red bandana (although that might make him look liek Axel Rose, an insperation of his design)
Hugo & Poison - Great nostalgia. Nothing bad can really be said against their designs as they were designed in the 80’s (or 80’s inspired) along with the fact that Hugo was obviously inspired by Andre The Giant, and then there’s Poison, who is perhaps one of the most attractive looking chars in the SF universe, but intrestingly enough used to be a man (yup one of the SF3 chars actually has an intresting story, but then again she really isnt a SF3 char)
Dudley - Inspired by the 1920’s boxer, not much more to his design, but in terms of overall design, moves, personality, a much more favored character over Balrog. Then there’s the curiousty question about him, “Is he white or black?” (I actually asked Capcom about that, but all they said was <i>“he’s supposed to have dark skin”</i> which didnt really answer my question)
Q - One of the 3 anime/manga inspired chars of the SF3 cast. Is intresting due to the mystery that surrounds his/her character, although thats really a cop out when you want to make an intresting character, or a character people will wonder about. Defenitly one of the oddities of the SF3 cast.
Remy - SF’s first KOF character design. Now as most of the SF3 cast are inspired by an outside source Remy was just meant to be the bishonen (pretty male) character of the cast (much like Vega was for the SF2 cast) he was also inspired by (whatever the designer pictured as) trendy Europeans, and male models.
Urien - Not much in terms of design and gameplay given Gill, but backtory and powers are intresting (given the lack of info about them) Something that could have helped seperate him form Gill a little better would have been if he had kept the suit he’s wearing from his intro, and instead of it dissolving when he transforms, the suit/clothes would tatter (like the Hulk just without the expanding and loss of the upper clothing) plus have the shirt and coat opening and flowing around.
Twelve - Probaly the worst design of the cast, given that he’s a humanoid blob, who’s insperation dwells as far as the T1000 from Terminator 2, something way too famous to try and draw insperation from without people thinking its just a bad rip-off, plus the whole super soldier created by a society to hunt down another game character seems like it was done too much in fightng games already, ie Tekken and Mortal Kombat.
Makoto - Based off an Sakura concept, Makoto was a nice addition to the SF3 cast. However her gi should of most likely been another color, like blue (which would of matched her yellow scarf better) and could of had some extra details to it for some extra umph. Then there’s the fact her hair should of probaly been longer which would made her seem alot less like Sakura and Shun (SFA anime) and would of helped better define her as a woman/girl since at first people werent able to tell her sex. The most intresting thing about her was the fact that Capcom originaly intended her to be Ryu’s long lost sister.
Yun and Yang - The other 2 anime inspired characters. Yun and Yang were inspired by or tributes to Troa and Duo from Gundam Wing. These two were cool characters but a slight change in appearence could of gone a long way for them both and not making them seem like head swaps. For instance Yun and Yang are completely opposite in everything except appearence, but this is something that should be shown, like Yang is the more focused calm one, and appearence wish should look just like he did in SF3 but with sleeves added, and shoes that look more like slippers instead of sneakers (ie something that looks more like Gen’s clothes, traditional chinese outfit) where as Yun should look like he did in SF3, sleeveless, but should have long shorts instead of pants. Overall they should look similar but with more diffrinces, plus it might of been cool to see one of them have Gen’s mantis style, and the other have Gen’s crane style.
Ibuki - The most popular and fan favorite character of the SF3 cast. A great character. The onl problem I had was her coloring look bad, ie the brown didnt look very good, specialy since SF chars tend to be very vivid, so a diffrient color scheme like something in the shade of blue/purple (like Geki from SF1) might of benifited her better.
Sean - Rather go really into it, like the other ones, I just think it would’ve been better had Sean looked more like this…
(the above is what I always picture Gill and Knollin’s son would look like, if they had a kid)
The thing is, with SF being 2D they’re limited in terms of what they can do with designs, ie the characters cant really be detailed due to all the frames that have to be drawn, but if you look at the designs done by Edayan (who did the art and designs for the RS series and the SFEX series, as well as the SF2 Revial art) he designs these great really visual characters that are detailed enough for 3D games, but not too detailed for 2D games, and with the talent he has I’d wish that he had to design the SF3 cast or at least some characters for it, or one at the very least. The last thing he worked on for Capcom was the designs for Monster Hunter incase anyone was wondering.
The point was F4NY is an actual street fighting game, and that jimmy guy was complaining about something related to actual street fighting, I forget what, so thats why I suggested F4NY I wasnt comapring it to SF in anyway, just saying its an actual street fighting game, and its story is all about fighting on the streets and all that (although it was nice to actually see a fighting game aside from Project Justice that had an actual story mode)
TAS ,did you do that design of gill yourself?That is very impressive! he looks cool and yet ready to slice someone’s head right off. Great job! also,nice info on the third strike characters,and I really agree with on twelve UNTIL I STARTED PLAYING WITH HIM,and he was barrels of fun. I like Ibuki’s main color scheme,she looks flashy enough without a vibrant color.Have you seen her blonde hair outfit? too crazy.
I wasn’t trying to sound like an ass earlier.I guess too much third strike has made me bias towards the game. You have a lot of cool knowledge and good ideas on street fighter ,though,too bad capcom couldn’t use any of your work.
That pic was drawn by REY and colored by Ling (one of my all time fav pics of Rey’s) The character’s name is Jedas and from a comic of Rey’s called “Break” and as much as Rey loves SF Jedas was probaly Gill inspired.
Yeah, a bright color might not do her good, but they should of made the brown darker, ie more solid, plus the blue shading on it looked really off.
RYU FINAL did have alot of fighting, however there where only like 6 characters in it, and it was like 200 pages, and it did have a story as well, a good one actually.
There really isn’t any room for any SF3 characters right now. The SFAlpha arc only has like, what, 2 or 3 more issues tops before SF2, and a enormous chunk of Alpha characters haven’t even been used yet (like the entire chunk of Final Fight characters). Hell, a large majority have been barely used at all (Such as Karin who’s only been in a back-up).
No, he’s right, its WAY too early to have the SF3 chars, it will just make the comic a cluttered mess, and take the focus away from what they should be focusing on in terms of story and characterrs, and thus would be “shitty”
ok ok here r some character design back stories i know about
Urien: came from the greek statue of the spear bearer, every stance he has shows off his form in perfect contro-posto and even his KO lay down stance is a real sculpture called “The Dying Soldier” or “Defeated Warrior”.
Dudley: My new favorite character design based on the greatest heavy weight prize fighter who ever lived, Jack Johnson.
John L. Sullivan --> Jack Johnson --> Character Design for Dudley. John L. Sullivan was a boxer with the curly moustache and was the first heavy weight champion of the world i believe. he shared a jail cell with Jack Johnson and actually taught him some of his boxing techniques. around 1907 Jack johnson became the first black heavy weight champion of the world. he was so great because of the white society that wanted him to fail and fall and they put many challenges and shit in his way but he kept the title for almost a decade. Jack Johnson always dressed snappy and always was better dressed then everyone around him even the white ppl who hated him. they combined the style of jack johnson and the face of John L Sullivan to create Dudley.
there is a hell of alot more thought put in to the character designs of sf3 then alot of other fighters in my opinion.