480i won’t be an issue with him using 360/ONE, PS3/PS4. The XBR910 and XBR960 were there top of the line, so it could be that these had better upscalers as well. I don’t have it anymore so I can’t test 480i/240p games.
The XBR960 was only able to accept 720p signal but it automatically converted to 1080i. This was with all Sony models & pretty much all CRT tvs. The thing with the XBR960 was the Super Fine Pitch tube that everyone wanted. Again there are no consumer HD CRT that was able to to do 720p.
Exactly what im trying to say, 720p signal and convert it to 1080i. That’s the problem, Xbox One does not do 1080i. So when it converts it to 1080i there will be no signal. The Xbox One can do 720p but the Sony cant…
shaking my fucking head
Xbox One can be put into 720p mode. This gets fed to the TV. The TV then accepts the signal and converts it within the TV hardware internals to 1080i. The Xbox is still outputting 720p and is perfectly happy doing so. The television is still accepting a 720p signal and is perfectly happy.
No where in this equation is Xbox One displaying 1080i, what don’t you understand about this? How can you possibly type out a correct sentence yet come to the wrong conclusion and still not understand what is going on? Change No bueno to Bueno, all is well.
I would hate to have someone scared off from an amazing TV because you’re spouting non-sense.
I never had any lag in any of the other display modes the TV was capable of showing. The only thing I will note is that 480i had more processing going on but these were all handled by dedicated hardware boards. One thing I noticed on 480i mode was that some of that processing could create motion blur especially if you jacked the values high enough in the 3D Comb filters and the like. Right, that’s right… it has a dedicated hardware 3D Comb filter that is turned on in this mode. There are service menu values to change things there, but defaults will never have this issue. This is something I found out by experimenting in service mode.
I love this TV, it was an amazing piece of hardware. Too bad it maxes out at 34 inches and then the geometry problems CRT has. I have a XBR910, basically identical except a few video ports, no HDMI but instead has DVI. I have a plasma now but boy do I miss how in depth the service menu on the XBR910 was plus all the dedicated hardware. The only thing I like better about the plasma is the frame rate conversion (motion smoothing) and the perfect geometry. It’s a good TV but my older Sony is a hardware engineering marvel. Plus, that lagless CRT feel. Hopefully I can hack my plasma to turn off all the non-sense I don’t want and I can get it on a similar performance level. These things now a days are all Linux based so, there are many possibilities.
That is correct, BUT the picture will be perfectly displayed on the Sony TV because it is the TV that is doing the conversion, not the Xbox One or anything else sending the 720p signal. The Xbox One is sending the signal in 720p and does not know or care that the TV is then taking that 720p signal and converting it to 1080i in order to display the signal on the screen in order for you to view.
the xbr 960 and fw900 are crt kings. but they were not the last crt sony produced.
i have heard this sony is the best ever. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-BVM-D24E1WU-24-HD-monitor-w-42HD-20-D-modules-/200826975372 heres another article about them being used in the 2006 olympics http://broadcastengineering.com/news/sony-olympics-nbc-20060220 When these came out they were $25,000. They can now be had for under $2000. I missed out on one at an estate sale a few months ago. I was so mad.
http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/system/display-troubleshooter
It will have problems syncing because of the different signals. I know the old PS3 w/ people who had only 480p & 1080i tv signals had problems displaying their PS3 during the launch. All HD stuff was downgraded to 480p unless the game had 1080i. It was until Sony sent out a firmware to fix this. As of right now Xbox One does not support 1080i. Maybe someone who has an xbox one & XBR960 can confirm this…
Here is a thread in the xbox forum where people who have 480p - 1080i only cant play their xbox one.
http://forums.xbox.com/xbox_forums/xbox_support/xbox_one_support/f/4269/p/1627017/4231057.aspx
http://forums.xbox.com/xbox_forums/general_discussion/f/3817/t/1630975.aspx?pi7406=2
http://forums.xbox.com/xbox_forums/general_discussion/f/3817/t/1635655.aspx?pi7406=2
@rcaido
Your links to examples all seem to point to situations where the user’s screen supports 480p and 1080i, but NOT 720p or 1080p.
This would not be an issue since the XBR can take a 720p signal with no issue.
Going back to @Moonchilde 's post:
@FreedomGundam is right.
@rcaido you’re examples show people with 480p/1080i TV’s. The Sony TV is 480i/480p/720p/1080i because it can accept all those signals with no issues whatsoever and it internally upscales to 1080i. From the systems point of view you are displaying it at whatever resolution you set the system too. There are no sync issues with any of these systems/dvd players/blu-ray players.
Just ignore rcaido at this point, he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
I ended up talking to someone who has a Sony XBR960 & he confirms you can play xbox one on it, there are no issues but some “black crush” on certain games…So my bad, i thought because the TV had a different signal to the xbox there would be conflicting since they would be having a constant signal with one another. Despite making a fool of myself, OP you need to make sure if buying a CRT HDTV that it can handle 720p. There are a lot of CRT tvs that can only read 480p - 1080i which will not allow you to play your xbox one.
I was thinking of picking one up as there is one on craigslist right now for $100 OBO. Not sure if i want to carry that monster.
Lol, cool, I’m glad you understand now. There is some black crush on some games, it can be alleviated with a proper calibration, but that can be around $350 for a pro to come and do it. Not worth it for most people.
It is definitely worth the $100 to buy one of these, but they are BEASTS! You need at least 2 people to carry it.
Black crush is a calibration and settings issue or poor color reproduction by the game developers. Not the fault of the TV. From what I recall Xbox 360 also had pure shit color reproduction and terrible gamma curves as well, with none of the user select settings from the video out matching the internal frame buffer which was more accurate.
Also, TV’s don’t send signals to consoles. TV’s take signals. Consoles send signals. TV’s use those signals to display images. What crack smoking person gave you that idea?
Anyway, MOST CRT TV’s are either going to be standard NTSC 480i. There are few HDTV CRT out there and on top of that only a handful worth viewing. HDTV CRT also does not mean you get a full 1080 image, even the super fine pitch tube can’t show all the pixels because the aperture grille only has so many dots, although it does show a good majority of them, detail is not one of the things this TV lacks. Most TV’s of that time were less finely pitched like the flat tube Samsung’s and the Sony XBR970. The Sony HSxxx model also did not have a super fine pitch tube yet was a fairly common HDTV. This is why the XBR960 is the cream of the crop for CRT enthusiasts. No CRT TV comes close and it’s as future proof as it gets since it has HDMI and only becomes irrelevant once HDMI is no longer the standard. The only thing it really lacks is 3D support, but if you don’t care for it, then it doesn’t matter anyway.
There is a reason XBR910 and XBR960 sets are hailed as the King and Queen of CRT. Nothing comes close, nothing. Even the PWM monitors are basically the same technology, just with more video inputs and a sturdier chasis. They’re still 1080i max and less user friendly, there is no reason to get one over a XBR960. Especially since once calibrated they’ll basically give you the same exact image.
Or a dolly and some blankets to protect the screen from scratches.
You need to be looking into the last generation of CRT computer monitors.
Most are 4:3, and most only accept VGA.
Xbox supports VGA natively, Xbone does not.
However, even if CRT computer monitors take DVI (most do not), they’re still using the analog signal.
Good luck!
Damn you Moonchilde :razz:
I’m in the process of setting up my game room and was looking at picking up a 27" IPS panel for about $300, but all this talk of the XBR960 is making me rethink it and tempting me to pick one up again. Especially since I know I can pick one up for $100 or less. They just take up so much valuable real-estate wherever you set them up.
I cannot agree with that. the sony fw-900 monitor has a better picture. I’ve seen both side by side. It’s the best crt I have ever seen. The bvm I brought up is different too. It was specifically made for professionals. It was $20,000 dollars when it came out. I have not seen the picture, but being how it is tuned for people who need accuracy It’s probably a bit better. And yes they are monitors and not tv’s. But you could easily hook almost any signal up to a vga port.
Not being a poop, but the best solution is 2 displays. CRT for old games. LCD/Plasma/LED/etc. for new. Done.
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I agree with that opinion, but still, play current FGs in a CRT can be useful, due the question around the input lag, right?
You don’t benefit running a new game on an old display. Current gen games are designed for high def displays. High def displays “want” high def input. In short, run old games on old displays, run new games on new displays.
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