I know some people are annoyed at all the “shimmy” talk but I’m glad commentators mention it. Helps some people think critically who might only rely on shit like this.
As a Super Silver, I also think that gold league is where things get complicated, not silver.
You can easily reach silver with fundamentals aquired from previous sf games. If you are familiar with the series and still hanging in bronze leagues, maybe fighting games are not for you.
bronze people are usually casuals who play with their keyboards or stock gamepads, they dont invest on sticks. playing with a fightstick can polish your game. somepeople like to play with gamepad style controllers I respect that, but learning to play with stick can make a difference.
^ How much mileage you get out of a stick really depends on the character.
The PS4 pad has a more than decent enough D-pad for the motions you need to do. I will say that charge characters feel more natural on a stick, but there are plenty of pad charge players.
The main difference with a stick comes with having more fingers available for your buttons. With stuff like Birdie’s hold-button specials, being able to vary which buttons you’re holding while still being able to hit other buttons helps a lot.
In SF4 I would’ve also put in the easier plinking to get 1-frame combos down. But those are kinda gone in SF5.
Don’t think that a stick is a requirement to get good at this game, by any means.
I do mostly agree with wat gigglz said watching high lvl player is gd but if u don’t understand why they r doing what they r doing the isn’t very productive. U can however pick up certain things like maybe u find a punish u never knew about or maybe the commentator informs u of a move that is + frames etc…
Stuff like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnmtS-bQXNo
Basically, most people at bronze ranking have a one-dimensional strategy with no adaptation. This is a very extreme example though. I’d say the bare minimum to get out of bronze is to be able to seal your opponent’s offense, which against bronze opponents it boils down to knowing how to block, punish (just do your strongest normal or special if you can’t land a combo) and anti-air.
If you can do that, you will get a lot of free wins from bronze and probably some silver players too.
EDIT: Just realised actually I ought to mention I’m still in bronze myself but that’s more that I haven’t played enough games to reach silver yet due to issues with my router.
This is a heartbreaker to read. Been playing since SFII, when I was 10 years old. And yup, still hanging in Super Bronze.
that match was hilarious!! I wish I would get easy opponents like that, he just never learned that jumping is no option, usually in the second round they try something else but this one was stubborn as hell!
This is rubbish. I am in bronze because I am a slow learner. I need experience in the game itself to learn the timings on things, visual cues, etc. I get bodied by each character/strategy until I play them a bunch.
Yeah I have played countless hours of previous Sreet Fighter games, but SFV is a new game.
The important part is that I get better every time I play.
And yeah I play on a pad. I switched from a stick for V.
In my country, when teachers want to have a word with the parents about their no use children without upsetting them they say something like this:
" your kid is a bright student, he is really clever indeed but he is a slow learner and gets easily distracted."
this is roughly translated to: “your child is dumb.”
I cant judge people by their skill levels, I’m not a great player either. But, countless hours of street fighter and still struggling in bronze… Nobody here can help you with your situation, since the game is heavily founded on fundementals. Or you know your problems with your gameplay and too lazy to solve them. play moaaarrrr!
I don’t think you understand what fundamentals are. I held my own in IV by playing footsies, but V has different frame data and a different rhythm.
I never said I was struggling in Bronze either, I find it to be very useful. I specifically said that I am solving my problems as well.
The real problem occurs when you stop improving. Have you studied a game enough to truly excel in it? I understand how to learn. That is the important part.
It baffles me the attitude that people have in this game. In poker we have a saying, ‘don’t tap the glass.’ Which means, don’t discourage the bad players from playing and donating.
In the FGC good and mediocre players tell bad players to just stop playing. Why would you do that? It makes no sense to me. If you are a big fish in a little pond you are still a fish.
You’ll move up eventually. It can take some time to adjust.
I just cant accept the fact that a guy or a girl with years of street fighter experience cant get out of bronze.
I can accept the fact that you may want to try all the characters, to feel the game, to have a good time without a care; for all of these purposes there is a casual mode btw. The only other explanation is you dont want to win. Why do you play ranked if you dont want to win.
Also I’m not trying to discourage new comers and casuals. it doesnt matter how many hours you put into the series if you played casually. bad players are bad, they were bad in 4, they are bad in 5. someplayers get really hyped about some games, they read stuff, they watch stuff, they play a lot; but they are still bad.
I never said I can’t get out of bronze. I said I am in bronze now.
Your range of thinking is quite narrow.
You specifically said just that.
“If you are familiar with the series and still hanging in bronze leagues, maybe fighting games are not for you.”
You have actively discouraged at least one person who posted in this thread from playing. Here is their post:
"This is a heartbreaker to read. Been playing since SFII, when I was 10 years old. And yup, still hanging in Super Bronze.
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I am just saying, you seem to have a shitty attitude. You have said that you aren’t great but are happy to shit on people who aren’t as good as you at the game.
What would your response be to people who are better than you saying the same thing to you?
Hey asshole. Not everyone has the same amount of time to dedicate to getting better. It’s entirely possible someone could have been playing Street Fighter across multiple iterations of the game but since he barely plays it wouldn’t be good enough to get out of bronze. Other cases, people will have played for years learning bad habits that are really hard to break or they don’t know they should be breaking them. Maybe the person mostly does single player or only plays with his friends (who also aren’t very good). There are a plethora of reasons for having played SF for years and not be good enough to get out of bronze.
Keep playing but don’t mindlessly keep playing.
Try to improve certain parts of your game. Anti Air goes the longest way in bronze league, so start playing trying to watch them going to the air and trying to AA with you best move in that situation.
If you smash your head into a wall repeatedly and after the 1000th time it still doesn’t fall and you still expect it to fall on the 1001st time, maybe it’s time to find a weak spot in the wall, walk around it or crawl over it.
Try different approaches.
For example when I notice that a guy techs my throw after a jump in, I make a note in my head. Next time I get a clean crossup, I’ll leave a frame gap.
If I see a dude always walking back a second and walking forward a second afterward, I dash up and low forward him on his way forward.
Use empiric evidence in your offensive approaches. Make a note in your head when you observe patterns and think about how to exploit them.
If you know the answer to a scenario but you can’t execute the answer, grind that shit out in practice mode.
Just don’t become stagnant and flowchart every game.
None of the pro players just rest on their laurels and neither do any competitive players no matter what skill level.
you two are from that bunch. you just want to get “involved” in street fighter. you read, you watch, you play, you write in forums… but cant play, yet you dont act like you are casuals. I have a lot of friends like you, I know. Every game, every genre has its share of your type.
just like that. yes I don’t understand the fundamentals but rank way higher than you. you understand fundamentals way better than me.
btw I apologize if I’ve offended casual players. I didnt target them, my comments target this type of players.
I also think that its way easier to amass points in this game than sf4. game is crawling with 6k players, which was a very very rare sight. if you can’t amass 2k you are either a newcomer/a casual who needs guidance or you are plain bad. Sorry I had the impression that this thread was about guiding newcomers, turns out it was about consoling bad players.
I can only go off of what you have typed.
And you still haven’t answered my question:
What would your response be to someone who came in here and said that anyone in Silver isn’t trying to win so should just quit the game because they’re just a bad casual?
I’d just train harder, play more rather than finding excuses. sometimes bitter truth is helpful. please dont try to drag my words to wrong directions. Casuals and your bunch are different imo. I mentioned it previously.
as you can see I can find my seat in sf train, thank you.
For a month old game, it’s not really the fundamentals that will get you farther but the matchup knowledge. I get blown up all the time by random stuff, followed by a “wow, I can’t believe that’s safe on block!”