The truth…
2000 felt cheap because of the striker system. In fact, I hate the whole striker deal, except in the earlier KoFs where you had to have so many different conditions to fufill before you can call on some help. Throw escape summons are a bitch alone.
There was little chipping damage in 98 to worry about. Not as much as 95 with a heavy hitter. Holy crap. The damage was harder in 95, nearly as bad as SVCs balanced move dealing. 98 felt like SNK was more progressive with the idea than it was 4 years ago from that version. 97 allowed alot of recovery with some of the moves and not as much knockdown as 98. Also, I found 98 to limit recoveries to a good extent(ahem Chang)
I thought Mai(98) was at least 2nd best to her NESTS saga form in 98. Her CD attack is still counted as a medium hit, but loses space in NESTS version, saving her from lower setups since it appears off of the ground entirely in the last frames of the move. The new command (knee drop (LK)) move is cancellable after any other ariel hit. Mai gains priority with her charge air retreat move in NESTS since there are plenty of options after that. Squirell Dance, knee drops, or even just a hang. A bounceback movement mostly and can trick a rushdown. 98’s move carries only one command movement that’s quite limited with no wall bounce but is also a surprise. Punishment can follow that since it gives the enemy more free time to run in. Yuri could uppercut with a DP+HP to that. She loses her DP+K in NESTS, which requires less space than her previous incarnations and gains another limited anti-air(QCB+K). Bad move on SNKs behalf, but the command moves make her more a mid+low brawler.
Why is Chizuru a broken damager in 98?
IMO 2000 was the Marvel of the series…Assist craziness…uberbrokenness…
But I still love 2000, 01 was horrible. 01 felt really cheap, rushed, poor music, uberbroken Foxy…
oh…I LOVED 00’s musiic! I have the arranged album. 
Me too…loved the music…still have it…Arranged is the best!
2001 everything sucked…seriously…horrid, horrid game.
- Well, one track from 01 was good. God awful game.
- Even CTHD 2003 played better and the characters turned neon during special hits.
the real plague in kof from 99 to 2k1 was the striker cyrcus system
without them all of those games were pretty enjoyable
i like so much 2k1 for the roster, graphics and sounds but i really hate strikers
Yeah the roster is great…but Strikers…yeah thats why they were removed in 2k2…
Now lets see what XIII has in store for us as a Dream match…Tag or no tag?
What do you guys think? Should the next dreammatch be like 98 and 2k2? Or should it have the “arcade play/vs” tag option ala XI and 2k3?
I think…
- Dream Match style but both ways
- Three on Three as usual and no leader DM crap.
- Optional groove selection and such between ADV(2k2),EXTRA and NESTS system.
- Mai HAS to come back, but as NESTS Mai, not this crap that SNKP reduced her to.
- Kasumi had better show up this time.
- Eiji too.
- Tag is optional.
- all characters must be on the screen at all times a la KoF 98 in regular team mode.
- special throwback style modes for the characters dating back to 95(two versions or three).
- Terry gets to sport his old getup.
- Each original character(94-03 period) has their theme songs(3 characters a team to many incarnations, i.e… Ryo gets 95 theme, Yuri gets 98 theme, Robert is stuck with the 94 theme). In 2k3’s case, just give them anything.
All this is my KoF XII: Dream Match.
It has to be KOF XIII…because XII is the next installment…and the third is normally the conclusion to the series…
Hence we end this saga with XII, and the Dreammatch is XIII…
Also…who makes the roster cut? It has to be made up of at least the following due to previous installments:
- Mainstays and faves
- At least 30% of characters from the previous saga
- The New Face Team
That still leaves a helluva lot of characters not included…meaning no dream match will be KOF Tenka…because the more the sagas the more characters there are and the less memory for characters for dream matches…
Understand? That is unless we get some Mega KOF Tenka-esque non mugen game…With all characters from the past 3 sagas in one game…:looney:
oops lol. I meant that 
Any ideas, Dark Geese? what would you like to see next round?
God, what’s taking SNKP so long? Any word about the next install or will I have to install some hatemail?
Yeah, XIII should definitely have the tag option. And yeah there are loads of characters that need to show up. And they need to bring back Team Korea and the Lady Fighters team. I think we could finally use a full Tae Kwan Do team Korea with Kim, Jhun and May Lee.
What’s disappointing is how characters like Angel, K9999 and Foxy all got retconned out of canon (not so disappointing for Foxy), so the NESTS team will probably get omitted from the next installment.
But we’ll probably see some classic teams returning like Clark, Ralf and Leona, and Kyo, Benimaru and Daimon. I just wonder what they’ll do with the long-dead/missing characters like Mature, Vice, Yashiro & co. and I’d also like to see MORE BOSSES. Seriously, I think we could use some boss teams. I think we could all use Goenitz, Geese, Rugal, Adelheid, and so on all in one game.
Oh yeah…that reminds me…the only Dreammatch Bosses were Omega Rugal 98/2k2 and NeoWave AOF2 Geese.
We need a different boss for the next dreammatch. Also a defining factor of dream matches is that at least 15% of the cast is currently deceased…so I think we can figure out a formula. We need the ability to choose between modes as well…Yes I agree we can all see multiple bosses in one game…because NeoWave Geese was too damn easy…and I dont want Omega Rugal Version III for a Boss again…
Maybe we should get Shin Magaki or God Igniz or something…Or…Orochi Nightmare Geese…:badboy:
Midboss could be Orochi Leona also!!!
Chizuru? Chizuru doesn’t seem all that bad to me. She is very decent, though…good link combos, her slide is great, her moves are a lot more quicker than in '97, and she has a good pressure game. But far from “broken” in my eyes.
Chizuru is probably one of the tougher to use characters, and isn’t abuseable due to the reasons mentioned above. There are a lot more characters that can be whined about.
As for the ultimate dreammatch- do you think 60+ characters can be supported?
I would want the music to be MSH vs SF style- I always loved how the music would change in that game after a character got KOed…
How was Foxy retconned? (Other that her “death” in 2001, which was never really confirmed, only rumored).
you should be thankful they actually have a camera, lol
I think “broken damage” was referring to Chizuru’s illusion DM. That shit rapes… 100% combo with 3 stocks.
Yeah because actually one thing interesting is that SNKP said she would return on their Anniversary site…:wgrin:
meh, yeah. Why the hell would you want NESTS back? Akira imitation K’9999 is crap and a half. Even the design is messed[/fanboy talking].