What does SNKP need to do to save KoF?

[Return_of_Shiki]

That’s why I believe we should play it; so we can find out these things. The balance changes are already listed in various documents; now someone needs to check them in a tournament environment.

I guess one could say Arrange mode is expanded because the characters are different and the addition of the new stages, but that’s semantics I guess. Its not an super old game with a choice for revision already there like 2002 and it has a huge rooster; I don’t see the need for expansion.

I don’t understand why we would have to ban all the PS2 characters in that case, why not just the Kyo? Well, tbh I don’t really mind if the PS2 characters got banned again but that’s just me.

I’m not really strongly for or against this either way, but if arrange mode could solve the issue of making the field more level in the game than I think we should try it out. I don’t see how it could hurt; if it sucks people can always return back to the arcade revision.

I’ve often thought about what would happen if Arranged Mode was made standard, and if it would actually breathe life back into the KOF XI scene, and came to the following conclusions:

–Most of the balance changes don’t make any sense
–Too many interesting characters were raped for no good reason (K’, Duck)
–For the most part, the balance changes went the lazy-ass Capcom route of just nerfing anything and anyone who was really good instead of buffing the weaker characters (e.g. taking Ultimate Juggles COMPLETELY OUT OF THE GAME, instead working to balance them or give every character one)
–Most of the old KOF fans who hated KOF XI, hated for (petty) reasons other than balance. “Balancing” KOF XI won’t make them like the game any more
–Most of the people who complained that “KGO run the game” never really played the game at any high level, and they’re not going to start now
–KOF 98UM and KOF 2002UM are “newer” and much more popular now. There really isn’t a way to spark interest in the game in America at the moment aside from Atomiswave Emulation.

So for all these reasons, I think debating “What If” with KOF XI arranged is pretty pointless.

[t3h_mAsTarOth]

How about getting over ourselves and giving arrange mode a try first?

Funny that you would ask for an expanded and (presumably) more balanced version and you haven’t even given the arrange mode settings a fair shake yet.

arranged mode sucks… characters got nerfed… i don’t want no nerfs… just want kof xi um with every character that ever exited in kof… eg… bring back yamazaki, daimon, leona, orochi team make weaker characters better …no need nerfing kgo… every fg needs its top tiers…

[Tech_Romancer]

@ Shiki: Yeah, I see what you’re saying.

arranged mode sucks… characters got nerfed… i don’t want no nerfs… just want kof xi um with every character that ever exited in kof… eg… bring back yamazaki, daimon, leona, orochi team make weaker characters better …no need nerfing kgo… every fg needs its top tiers…

You’re being silly.

Unless SNK is willing to put a ridiculous amount of effort into playtesting and tweaking every character that makes no sense.

[Return_of_Shiki]

KGO probably needed to be nerfed a little. Just not whole castration like they did. I think with KOF XI UM, with enough time, they’d be able to completely get it right. I just hope that they don’t use Arranged XI as a base.

The Arranged PS2 version of KOF 2003 was actually a significant improvement over the arcade 2003. Which is why I’m so disappointed that the Arranged XI was so half-assed.

I guess it might be easier to improve something that’s terrible over something that is close to being truly great.

[Monkey_King]

What does Garou’s financial failure have to do with him being an idiot? Was SNK going to put him through school?

I like to point out things that have absolutely nothing to do with the conversation at hand. Btw you have nice eyes.

[rukawa_kaede]

snk needs to venture in other genres and not only fighting games so they can make more money out of games that are actually profitable

I don’t think XIII will do well unless it’s released on XBLA and PSN. Even if they release it cheaper than XII’s 60 bones, a 480p 2D fighter won’t do well, and making the game at 720p from the ground up is unfeasible (since it took 4 years to animate 22 characters at 480p).

I think the only way of going forward with KOF is making it a nich, cheapo, download series.

I played the japanese demo the other day on my new 32 inch tv

I still don’t know what the hell is the problem with you guys, the game looks fucking awesome

[t3h_mAsTarOth]

we all know that kof xii looks fucking awesome… it’s the prettiest looking 2D fighter to have ever exited as of yet… but it’s also one of the worst kof ever… 94 & 95 doesn’t count don’t get me wrong… i love CCs and think that “the idea …not nearly as good” 97/98 ish feel to the game is awesome but after playing xi and watching 2k2 u gotta ask yourself “what the hell was snk thinking???” first of all the system has too little to offer a complex gameplay… sure kof ain’t as complex as GG or BB but less complex than SF4??? that’s just sad… and some of the cast is not even close to being finished… cough …clark after releasing such an awesome game like kof xi, they waste their money and more importantly our money to give us an unfinished kof… but most important fuck up to me is how they nerfed the grapplers… i liked the game at first till i realised clark doesn’t play the same… a damn jab beats SAB… that did it for me… i rather play 97/XI anyday…

better smarten up and scrap kof xii and work on making the best kof ever… kof xi: um

[Apartheid]

You’re woefully forgetting Guilty Gear. Now there’s a pretty game at the same resolution without the steroids of 12.

( I mean, what the hell? The last I remember, Ralf was too drunk to even consider steroids. )

[Tooserius]

http://www.versuscity.net/2010/02/18/king-of-fighters-13-at-aou/

It seems as if they will be showing xiii at the next Aou. I made a thread for as it not to clutter up other threads.

[Frankfurt]

Guilty Gear doesn’t look better than a turd, let alone KOF XII.

snk needs to venture in other genres and not only fighting games so they can make more money out of games that are actually profitable

I played the japanese demo the other day on my new 32 inch tv

I still don’t know what the hell is the problem with you guys, the game looks fucking awesome

We are not enough to make any game profitable.

People are rather play 3-frame, flat-looking 720p shit like BB than nicely animated, heavily-shaded and detailed 480p shit like XII. That’s a fact.

[Tech_Romancer]

No, its not.

Frankfurt, just stop. Please.

[Hatred_Edge]

I love when this happens. Ignorant people shitting on other games because their shit flopped. TOO FUCKING BAD.

[baked_potato]

I love how people can just make up some random shit that doesn’t even make sense and say “that’s a fact” after it without feeling any kind of remorse.

Haha

[Cronopio]

SNKP needs to hire someone who knows about marketing. Seriously.

[Dandy_J]

make a good game with good netcode

[PELVIC_THRUSTER]

make a good game with good netcode

You’re asking a bit too much. SNK Can probably deliver ONE of those. So you have to choose.

[Tech_Romancer]

Don’t see why we have to; KOFXII was neither. So by logical thinking, this time we should receive both.

Oh wait we’re thinking of SNK here. Nevermind, I was confused for a minute.

[necronomiCRON]

I think they dicked most of the characters as far as special moves and supers. I mean three special moves per character and one super wtf save for a couple chars. What’s up with that stupid fucking over exaggerated sf alpha look also!Clark and ralf look fucking retarded like carl from the aqua teens movie.

[rogueyoshi]

i suppose you mean in america, since kof is going strong overseas. if so, then…

make a good game with good netcode

and all will be well