That shit actually works?
How explosive do you think reps will be with heavy weight??
By what you are sayingā¦if you are doing say squatsā¦you should go real heavy (I donāt even know what you mean is heavyā¦so when you reply post intensity) drop down real fast and explode upā¦that just sounds like a recipe for a knee injuryā¦especially to someone who plays sports competitively (knee problems are VERY common with basketball and soccer players)
And about stored kinetic energyā¦we are really trying hard to sound smart arenāt we?? By slowing down the negatives (somewhat, not too ridiculous) we are taking some of the momentum out of the lift yesā¦purposefully. You really donāt see how training explosive concentric lifts minus kinetic energy would only improve his vertical when there IS momentum?? To me it would be easier to jump higher by adding in the second variable after having trained the other movement effectivelyā¦Or in other wordsā¦
slow negative=more challenging explosive concentric movement=more effective at training/improving explosive movement
Nowā¦
Trained explosive movement + Momentum= better verticalā¦
But if you donāt see it that way then we can just agree to disagreeā¦cuz this is kinda pointless argument to begin withā¦
Hm, while for the most part I lift so I can appear bigger, I am curious about other aspects to training the body.
How do you get a really high jump?
How do you get a stronger straight punch?
How do you get down āclimbing fasterā?
Very explosive. No, the weight isnāt going be moving fast, but your muscles will be. Thatās the whole point of lifting āexplosivelyā. If it wasnāt, then lifting with NO weight would be the most effective manner of training the fast-twitch fibers.
As for a recipe for knee-injury: wow, itās amazing that Dr. Hatfield, with his 1,014 lb squat, was training for injury all this time and didnāt even know about it.
Itās how every strong powerlifter on the planet trains. Check up on westside-barbell.com and the article āOptimal Eccentricsā.
ā¦as opposed to sounding dumb? Of course. I would hope that you would expect someone debating you to present an intelligent point.
And kinetic energy is something we learned in 8th grade. Itās far from a berating term. Nobody is using ad hominem here, dude.
Not for strength training, no. Eccentric training is for muscle-growth. Again, refer to westside-barbell.com. I can quote the specific article if you really want me to, but itās a PDF file and a pain to open for my computer.
I donāt see how itās pointless. If you give advice to someone, and your advice is challenged, it should be your responsibility to be able to back it up.
I Live in Ohio, and have trained with some of the guys at "Westside Barbells"
for powerlifting meets. Louie Simons the owner of Westside knows his stuff, but trust me when I say its not there secret training technique that are breaking world records!! Itās there āDrug Educationā knowing what to take, how to take it, and when to take it!
Just to put things in perspective, my max bench at 181lbs is 410 with a pause at the bottom, Iāve seen there 181 pounder fucking bench close to 600! 580 to be exact. Talked to him about the cycle he on during competetion, put it to ya this way. His off season cycle was more then triple what my competetion cycle would be!
Those guys at westside are taking some serious doseges, they measure everything in terms of grams of gear, not mg! My little 800mg of gear a week when Iām on a cycle is about what they are on daily!
Those guys are fucking crazy! I seen Greg smash his own head into a barbell right before attepting a world record and afterwards they had to take him to a hospital cause he was so pumped up the cut wouldānt clot!!
That is ****ing awesome.
But I just advocate their site 'cuz their stuff works.
If I remember correctly from a few pages back, arenāt you a bodybuilder? Those are very impressive numbers.
I just read the article āoptimum eccentricsā good read tooā¦I really should visit there more oftenā¦
I did notice a couple things that stood out in the articleā¦
- āIt is known that training with heavy weights will add strength potential to muscles and that light weights with a rapid concentric phase will increase speed and explosive strengthā
-doesnāt this just support what I said?? Training with light weights with a rapid concentric phase?? Isnāt that I told the original poster to do??
-Also by training with lower weights you are less likely to injure yourself even with a very slow eccentric phaseā¦
-the optimal eccentric phase for POWERLIFTING is basically as fast as the concentric phaseā¦based on this articleā¦unless I just misunderstood somethingā¦This is why I recommended lighter weights with a more explosive concentric phaseā¦This way he can relax more during the eccentric portion of the lift (somewhat regardless of speed, again heās not doing negatives) Which is what westside also recommendsā¦a controlled but relaxed eccentric phaseā¦unless I misunderstood it againā¦
- āWhen the body LANDS on a surface, it becomes kinetic energyā
-The study they did with the 8 lifters were all doing BOX squatsā¦take away the box and the kinetic energy greatly diminishesā¦Had you said that the original poster should use a box (something I hadnāt really thought about but never ruled out) then you mightāve been on to something that could be a direct result of you reading that article and passing on that valuable information.
-Wait a secondā¦you didnāt recommend ANYTHING to the original posterā¦you just told me I was wrong oh okā¦
The original poster is trying to improve his verticalā¦not his squat numbersā¦Iām assuming itās for sports related purposesā¦Sports specific training and training for a powerlifting meet are two completely different thingsā¦donāt confuse the two.
How much does Dr. Hatfield weigh?? Does he wrap his knees and wear a suit and a belt when he squats?? Does he play soccer or basketball or football daily?? Hereās the kickerā¦you think for a fucking second he doesnāt have to ice his fucking knees every once in a while?? Iām sure he doesnātā¦Iām sure he played in the NFL for a decade before he set his new PR and because of his wonderfully perfect training methods he has NEVER had a pain in his knees or his lower back.
The weight wonāt be moving fast but the muscles will be??? Based on the article YOU CITEDā¦the eccentric and concentric phases were measured in METERS PER SECONDā¦We are trying to shorten the concentric phase, which would be accomplished with lighter weights. With heavier weights and a slower concentric phase we are increasing the Time Under Tension again, which would be great if the goal was muscular hypertrophy, but itās notā¦so itās notā¦
Hereās my problemā¦and itās with about 75% of the posters in this little threadā¦everyone wants to argue with each other when they donāt agree with the advice givenā¦but they are unable or unwilling to GIVE BETTER ADVICE. This little argument could go on for pages but for what?? Does it give the original poster a better idea of what he should do ?? Noā¦ Have you offered any advice as to the original question yet? Noā¦ Thatās why I said it was a pointless argumentā¦
Whatever, Iām done with this thread again. You guys have fun, I got work to do.
Hey all,
Just started getting back into the gym again. Iām 5ā7" 330lbs. so yeah Iām overweight as fuck. my main goal is to lose weight/get in shape and I also wanna improve my strength. Iām working out about 3 times a week and doing cardio when I work out. Though Iām going to start stepping up the cardio to like 4 or 5 times a week(trying to take things slow since its been years since I have been in the gym).
anyhow, my question is does it matter when I do cardio? Like should I do it before or after I lift? also are there any supplements I should/could be taking to help with the weight loss. and does any1 have any good chicken recipes? I plan on eating a lot of boneless chicken breast (thank you George Foreman Grill!) and just wanna spice things up a bit. Any help is welcome, thanks!
Iām going to address your points more intricately tomorrow because I have to sleep now, but your last paragraph was ridiculous. Obviously if Iām disagreeing with you my advice would be to do what I myself am advocating. A thesis doesnāt need to consist of, āHERE IS WHAT I AM GOING TO SAY: YOU SHOULD ETC, ETC.ā
You make it sound like people disagree with you just to be assholes. I canāt fathom why a serious athlete wouldnāt welcome debate and, consequently, information that they might not have known. Itās your body. You should be glad to be getting points of views from all angles. Itās truly mindboggling as to how you can see that as a āproblemā, as you called it.
yeah , imagine your batteries are doubled up . the carbs you take before workout together with the fats in your body that readily to be converted into energy .
thatās why youāll feel warm and producing sweat all the time , in fact the sweat is warm too . because of the energy conversion from the fats .
a good reason that hydroxycut is popular in the market .
WARNING : itās also contain caffaine , but this type of caffaine is better than coffee >_> .
Whatās the best way to burn the fat around the face/neck area?
Alright, Iām about to go on a plan or something.
Iām trying to get back into shape, because I want to ba more prepared for the AAU basketball league that Iām entering. I used to have a basketball playerās frame, but whenever winter hits, that changesā¦
Before, I was too young, and I didnāt have any money to join a gym, but now I do. Iām 6ā4" and about 270, with a small gut. Iām not as physically strong as I was back in my day. I used to be able to do 30 push-ups before getting tired (not very impressive, I know), but now I can only do like 15. I wanna be buff, too.
Anybody know where I should start?
-Fritz
Yo, WHAT articles? I want to read those things. Were they posted in the thread?
Nope. You advocated against heavy weights. That section is describing a conjunction of both ME day and DE day. ME = heavy weights for explosiveness.
By not lifting at all, youāre even less likely to injure yourself. Whatās your point?
Umā¦no. Westside never recommended light weights exclusively. One of the points of heavy weights is to work up to more and more control on the eccentric phase.
The same can be applied to the bar of the bench touching your chest, or the barbell touching the floor on deadlifts.
Duh. By telling you that youāre wrong, Iām giving my own advocations of what to do. Again, a thesis doesnāt have to be outright stated. You can easily gather what I recommend to do by reading what Iām saying. Itās QUITE obvious Iām telling him to lift heavy.
And better squat = better vertical. You can adopt powerlifting to suit your specific needs. Donāt strawman my posts.
So basically youāre saying that weightlifting can lead to injuries. Thanks for this breaking news update.
The goal is to WORK UP to moving the heavy weight fast. Going by your logic, we should only do bodyweight exercises because weights donāt let us do higher reps.
Obviously if Iām disagreeing with you my advice would be to do what I myself am advocating. A thesis doesnāt need to consist of, āHERE IS WHAT I AM GOING TO SAY: YOU SHOULD ETC, ETC.ā
You make it sound like people disagree with you just to be assholes. I canāt fathom why a serious athlete wouldnāt welcome debate and, consequently, information that they might not have known. Itās your body. You should be glad to be getting points of views from all angles. Itās truly mindboggling as to how you can see that as a āproblemā, as you called it.
You canāt spot reduce fat and target any specific area. You lose fat in areas thatās beyond your control. Do cardio and eat right to burn fat. Check out ww.abcbodybuilding.com for cutting diets.
Click on Articles.
Itās inefficient to attempt to burn fat and gain muscle simultaneously. What would you rather do first: cut weight, or bulk up?
Ok, Iāve been working out for a month or 2 now.
My friend, who has lost lots of weight, has taught me his routine. Iāve gotten the basic concept down, which is work out 4 different parts of your body which is the trunk, arms, legs, and abodomen.
Since, Iāve found this thread, I am trying to find a routine that will fit into my schedule and something that I will like.
Can anybody give me a clue about workouts?
I like to do full body workouts, with as little sets as possible.
Right now I want to lose weight and tone up. The next step would be to gain huge muscle mass.
Can somebody help me and suggest some workouts that doesnt require me to go to the gym more than 4 times a week.
thanks.
Iām still in bulking phase for the next month or so, but Iām just wondering what are some post workout meals you guys take for a cutting phase?
Right now for my bulking, Iām taking EAS Mass Factor after I workout, and so far of about 5 weeks Iāve gained 6 lbs. which is pretty good I think.
But in about a month Iām gonna start cutting, I used to take ISOpure zero carb whey protein shakes, but Iām looking for something new. Any suggestions?
This is a great routine for gaining strength.
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=212&topic=27154029
In order to lose weight, you need to alter your diet. Look at www.abcbodybuilding.com for cutting diets.
Donāt take weightgainers after your workout. They have fats and little dextrose. Fats are good, but not post-workout; they require too many metabolic processes to break down. You want protein and carbohydrates that are extremely fast-digesting. Take whey protein, dextrose, maltodextrin, and a pinch of sodium. Theyāre cheap to buy, too. Read about how to take them here:
all exercises will be 3 sets 10 reps each
day 1 : bicepts/ tricepts
alternating dumbell cures - 3 sets 10 reps (each arm)
v-bar pulldowns - 3 sets 10 reps each
barbell curls - 3 sets 10 reps each
rope pulldowns - 3 sets 10 reps each
preacher curls - 3 set 10 reps each
tricept kickbacks - 3 sets 10 reps each
day 2: Chest
dumbbell flat bench
dumbbell incline
barbell decline
day 3: back/sholders
pulldowns (to the front)
cable rows
barbell rows
barbell shrugs
dumbbell sholder presses
lat raises
front raises
day 4: legs
squats
leg presses
hack squats
stiff leg deadlifts
standing calf raises
sitting calf raises
im outi
Roberth