Ya know it seems like everyone has their own way of working out.
When I first started working out, I used to eat Steak every single night for a month straight and I literally had 3 eggs over and easy in the morning (Yea, I know, not too good for the heart), but hey I’m still alive. I cut down on the eggs alot recently.
What do you guys make for a shake? Damn, this thread is too big for me to read through everything. I tend to mix Eggs (all whites), Organic Milk (good fucking milk), Peanut butter, a quart of ice cream (usually chocolate or caramel) , whey protein, and some peanut butter in my “protein” shake. Check it out, it’s pretty god damn yummy, tastes just like Reese’s pieces.
a bit harsh, if it works for him great, no need to bash his workout style so hard. To many people that work out think it’s either their way or the highway. pryde thanks for the info, i posted my picture a while back, i’m cool with the ladies!
for my shake i havei t with water, or have the good old tuna + mango juice shake.
Haha, I’m the opposite. I started on bodybuilding but switched to get stronger. Most bodybuilders start on powerlifting anyways to build up vascularity. Yeah, powerlifters sometimes use bad form to get the heavy weight up, but I have to say everytime I go to the gym there’s at least one guy having a spaz attack while trying to do bicep curls.
There’s a GOOD reason you are supposed to keep volume under control and time spent in the gym…lifting weights is very strenuous activity…first you burn through ur blood sugar…then glycogen stores…now ur burning muscle and fat for energy…burning fat and muscle is not a goal of urs if ur into bodybuilding…causing hypertrophy to some degree is what you are after and it doesn’t take 3 hours…
The other reason is when ur volume is out of control then you are headed for injury…especially if u aren’t super supplementing…ur muscles can only take so much…and ur tendons and ligaments can take even less. If you are working upper body for 3 hours then ur shoulders are taking a beating for EVERY single bit of that 3 hours…
Only a novice thinks 3 hour workouts are necessary, even some of the time…
I won’t waste my time but if you’d carefully read what you’d posted you realize the majority of the information on that thread is completely irrelevant to bodybuildig. Secondly you’d realize that literature reviews without actual board reviewed studies are worthless. I cannot anazlyze the science behind any of those studies because I’m not going to find the damn journals. And then you’d realize when it talked about anti-catabolism SURPRISE it says right there in HIV victims. Anyone can prove any point by posting random internet sites. Show me actual board reviewed journals that show glutamine works on normal healthy subjects with oral administration please.
If you really want me to, I can easily copy and paste all the relevant pieces of info, but I’m not going to put it past your ability to do that yourself. Be kind of insulting to you if I did that.
Now, since glutamine is already a widely advocated supplement, it’s you who has the burden of proof on their shoulders. You should be providing proof that disproves glutamine’s benefits. Because that article has a PLETHORA of sources at the bottom.
And I completely fail to understand the logic behind you saying you’re not going to take the time to look up every scientific journal listed. That’s fine, but then don’t make accusations of a lack of proof. The cited sources and proof are all there at your disposal at the bottom whenever you decide it’s worth taking the time to research. After looking into those and finding a means of proving them false, then you’ll have grounds to talk. Until then, saying “I’m not going to look up the damn articles” proves absolutely nothing for your argument.
guys… i was wondering what kind of fast food, if any, do you guys eat?
there’s a local bagel shopi get a bagel sandwich from (egg+sausage+cheese) usually every morning. if i don’t get it or wake up kinda late, i go to sonics and get one of their toaster sandwiches. i also get subway/quiznos footlong subs and eat half for lunch and the rest for dinner. i was wondering what else i could buy from food chains that’s consider good/decent.
Glutamine isn’t accepted as a supplement by most gurus with biochem backgrounds. It is hyped by people who are selling it as a do all when BCAA’s are 10x better. Glutamine is perhaps the easiest amino for your body to synthesize, and also only acts as an ammonia carrier relative to exercise. You don’t “lose” glutamine when you exercise, you only create it to suck up ammonia via a transfer chain. And btw people like Patrick Arnold and Par deus over from avant say glutamine is a waste of time, provide me with ammo from someone on their level of knowledge about nutrition and supplementation that does NOT have stake in selling it that likes the compound. Again to summarize, glutamine is easily synthesized, glutamine is not orally bioavailable to a great extent, and its useless unless your are severely weakended or under great stress (burn victims). It is mildly pointless in calorie deficit and totally ridiculous in calorie surplus.
Effect of glutamine supplementation combined with resistance training in young adults.
Candow DG, Chilibeck PD, Burke DG, Davison KS, Smith-Palmer T.
College of Kinesiology, University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada.
The purpose of this study was to assess the effect of oral glutamine supplementation combined with resistance training in young adults. A group of 31 subjects, aged 18-24 years, were randomly allocated to groups (double blind) to receive either glutamine (0.9 g x kg lean tissue mass(-1) x day(-1); n = 17) or a placebo (0.9 g maltodextrin x kg lean tissue mass(-1) x day(-1); n = 14 during 6 weeks of total body resistance training. Exercises were performed for four to five sets of 6-12 repetitions at intensities ranging from 60% to 90% 1 repetition maximum (1 RM). Before and after training, measurements were taken of 1 RM squat and bench press strength, peak knee extension torque (using an isokinetic dynamometer), lean tissue mass (dual energy X-ray absorptiometry) and muscle protein degradation (urinary 3-methylhistidine by high performance liquid chromatography). Repeated measures ANOVA showed that strength, torque, lean tissue mass and 3-methylhistidine increased with training (P < 0.05), with no significant difference between groups. Both groups increased their 1 RM squat by approximately 30% and 1 RM bench press by approximately 14%. The glutamine group showed increases of 6% for knee extension torque, 2% for lean tissue mass and 41% for urinary levels of 3-methylhistidine. The placebo group increased knee extension torque by 5%, lean tissue mass by 1.7% and 3-methylhistidine by 56%. We conclude that glutamine supplementation during resistance training has no significant effect on muscle performance, body composition or muscle protein degradation in young healthy adults.
I see double blind studies on other forums all the time but never on this page…I get sick and tired of people basing everything they believe on complete and utter bullshit they google on some obscure website…(this is NOT directed at reidar)
Thank you for bringing the realness back to this thread and shoryuken.fuckingcom…
Strawman. Nobody is ever claiming that glutamine restores lost stores in your body from working out.
Eiji Nakamura and Susan J. Hagen, Alain Lavoinne, Ardawi, M. S. M., and E. A. Newsholme. I can keep listing more if you want.
Excess bodily ammonia (NH3) is extremely dangerous; side-effects such as coma and brain damage are common. NH3 is produced by the breakdown of amino acids. Glutamine acts as a nitrogen carrier in the body, transporting ammonia to the stomach in order to convert it to urea in the liver, or excreting it via the kidneys. Approximately 50% of the nitrogen excreted in the urine, as ammonium or urea, is a result of glutamine. The breakdown of GLN in epithelial cells results in bicarbonate ions (a buffer) and NH3. The bicarbonate is added to the blood, assisting regulation of pH, while the ammonia is released in the kidney by glutaminase. From here, NH3 rapidly bonds with protons to form ammonium (NH4+), which is then excreted with a co transport of sodium ions. As a result, a buffer is added to the blood stream, and acidic hydrogen ions are released via NH4+, effectively regulating pH .
This is very relevant to the athlete. During weight lifting, lactic acid is prevalent and severely inhibits athletic performance, for reasons such as an increased pH. Anything that raises your pH would enhance performance. Furthermore, the regulation of pH has been supported in several other scientific journals.
That pretty much counterpoints your study on how glutamine can actually be detrimental to the aspiring athlete. As you did, I could easily find an obscure study showing the enhanced performance that glutamine offers, but what would that prove? Those are used to support an explanation, not act as an explanation in and of itself. Why is glutamine unbeneficial when it boosts pH levels? Why doesn’t it enhance recovery? What about the above explanation is wrong, and why specifically? That’s what I’d be looking for in this.
Are you serious dude?? He posted a double blind scienticic study that supported his claim just as you asked him to and you are continuing to argue?? Is there ANYTHING that he COULD say to sway you in ur stance?? Probably not…and if that’s the case then just agree to disagree. I for one will spend my money on FOOD. Well, and steroids…
And ur last argument is weak…no one is going into a coma from a glutamine deficiency…it’s the most abundant amino acid in the body…and the oral bioavailability of glutamine is low…based on chaos’ study it’s not enough to make a difference in relation to bodybuilding…the proof is in the pudding…if you really want to argue this…then find another double blind study that found different results…
Now we’ve moved from effective for bodybuilding to helping performance, which it doesn’t do either. Case in point…
The purpose was to determine if glutamine supplementation would prevent a loss of lean mass in athletes during a 12-day weight reduction program. It was hypothesized that supplementation would spare lean body mass. Subjects (n=18) exercised and dieted to create a 4186kJ·day-1 energy deficit and a 8372 kJ·day-1 energy deficit on days 1-5, days 6-12, respectively. The glutamine (GLN) group (n=9) ingested 0.35 g·kg-1 body mass of glutamine while a placebo was administered to the remaining subjects. Body mass (BM), lean body mass (LBM) and fat mass (FM), were measured at days 0, 6, and 12. GLN and placebo groups both lost significant amounts of BM, LBM and FM. There were no significant differences between groups. The findings indicate little benefit for retention of lean mass with supplementation of glutamine during a short-term weight reduction program.