-- Weightlifting & Nutrition Thread -- v9.0 Optimized

random question…

what technique do you guys use to spot someone who is lifting heavy or attempting a max for flat dumbbell bench?

elbow or wrist spotting? feet/knee position? shoutting encouragement? verbal count of what rep they’re on? etc.

i’m still trying to find the best/most stable spotting position for me. although i’ll turn down a request for a spot if it’s an ungodly weight…i’d like to prevent someone from getting pancaked or sent to the ER

I spot at the elbows…no reason in particular though…

Some people wait for someone to practically drop the weight before they spot them and they just help them finish the rep…that’s not what I do…

I give a little help at their weakest point on the rep I see them struggling…after that rep…I don’t give a fuck how many they’ve done they’re givin me two more…on the first of those two I again help at the weak point ever so slightly and on the last one I give them as little help as possible to ensure they got a good strong set with a good failure rep.

On a side note…if ur not taking ur sets to failure…ur failing to do ur sets. The only set in my workouts that I don’t take them to failure is a warm up set.

alright guys…let’s talk something serious…anybody ever tried steroids??

I haven’t…but I’ve been reading up on winstrol and it seems like a much safer alternative and from what I’ve read it doesn’t support water retention and when you come off it you don’t have to take an antiestrogen to balance out your hormone levels. Basically it doesn’t share alot of the side effects of more popular steroids and you keep most of the gains you get after your cycle is over.

Any of you guys ever tried it or know anything about it??

Tons. Never tried it, never will. I’m not willing to take the risk of obtaining and using AS. Physically they are quite safe (IMO) if used correctly and reasonably, but I just don’t feel like taking the risk. On an aside you should have at least 2 years of hardcore training underneath your belt before you start with AS it represents a huge step in the game. As for aromatization, I would still do a post cycle with nolva to be on the safe side.

As an aside, in no way do I condone the use of steriods by any individual, and all information I post is in the interest of science.

any tips for a little weight gaining for a 120 lbs guy?

i’ve read the majority of the posts on this threads… unfortunately i’m an engineering student and have work to do (labs/projects/study) pretty much all day, and have to stay in the labs for pretty long hours every day. eating 6~8 meals a day or visiting the gym every day of the week simply isn’t possible for me. however i’m not really looking to be brad pitt or anything, all i want is at least a 20-pound gain to 140 lbs. (that’ll at least put me into ‘average’ for an asian guy)

i was actually only 110 before last year. i spent a few months at the gym (not too often, just twice or so a week) and tried to eat more in general (not calculating fat/carbs/proteins) and after that few months i got to 120. but i stopped doing it for a while, and started it again just 2 months or so, but don’t really see any gain so far. any suggestions?

thanks.

Damn, its like all you guys are trying to get big. I’m already naturally big, I just need to get ripped up more.

The only question I have is this . .I can EASILY do 200+ crunches in one sitting. My abs are nice I guess but I’m always hurting the next day, and since I work out each night before I go to bed it seems like I’m always in some kind of pain the next day. Do I need to lower my reps and keep it down to less than 7 days a week?

It may sound like overkill but I’m used to it.

Ripped up = low body fat percentage…

If ur existing muscle mass is not metabolizing the fat necessary to make you look more cut…then you should try dieting. 67% of what you look like is what you eat…

As for working out 7 days a week…I don’t know what you do…but I can hit every major muscle group of the body in 4 days of working out 1.5 to 2 hours…if I add a 5th day it’s to either hit bi’s and tri’s together with compound sets or I hit chest again. You have to remember that you’re muscles aren’t getting any bigger/stronger while you’re actually working out…it’s the rest in between workouts where you’re muscles recover and rebuild where they grow and grow stronger…without adequate rest it’s safe to say you won’t really see that much in the way of results…or at least not as much…

If I did workout a sixth day that day would be reserved for abs and cardio.

The pain ur describing…is it good pain…like sore from a good workout…or a sharp pain that feels like u pulled/tore something??

And as for the asain guy trying to gain weight but can’t find time to eat 6 times a day…just try taking weight gainer…maybe two servings a day…that’ll put some meat on ur bones…and whatever you do…don’t do any cardio…stick to heavy weights.

Well I’ve never tried steroids, but i’ve been taking creatine for the last 2 weeks and that stuff makes pretty strong. my bench went from 225 to 250. so that could be an option.

Post cycle therapy is always needed after ANY steroid cycle. I don’t care who told you, but even if the steroid doesn’t artomize, there’s still a rebounding effect after the cycle with your hormone levels. Your estrogen levels will increase post cycle if you don’t take something like Nolva or Clomid. Not doing PCT is where most people fuck themselves up and start growing tits and get severe acne.

IIRC Winstrol will shut down your natural test in 1-2 weeks. And any cycle with Winstrol under 6 weeks isn’t worth anything. So proper PCT is a MUST.

*I don’t reccomend anyone under 21 doing steroid cycles. Or anyone with less than 2 years training. You must have your diet down to the dot and know what you’re doing. *

It’s alright to talk about steroids here, but if anyone wants specifics such as what to take when, doseages, etc. PM me, or Chaos if he’s willing to answer PM’s.

I’ve personally done a few cycles before. Although I’m only 17, I had a professional trainer by my side, did tons of research months before I did the cycle, and followed instructions to a dot. At the time I had 4 years of training behind me and I was already naturally 200lbs.

I don’t reccomend cycles for anyone who’s like 150lbs and just wants to add a few lbs of muscle. 150lbs is nothing. You can gain a lot more weight naturally before you even think about steroids.

*This post was for informational purposes only. Any information here is not to be used as any type of guideline for steroid use.

i’ve got a question for anyone that can help.

i’ve been workin’ out pretty religiously for the past three years of highschool, starting freshmen year and i’m a junior now. i’ve got pretty good definition and i’m satisfied with that, but i’ve always been pretty skinny and now i wanna fill up. i was thinkin’ of takin’ creatine but everyone made andro (i dont know the full textbook name, sorry) sound more worth it. i know it’s a pro-testoserone (sorry i butched the name, lol) a reliable friend of mine told to just take 1-2 tablets before working out + protein shake and then protein shake after workout. it worked for him so i was pretty convinced but i need to know from you guys if there’s anything significant i should know

right now my weight, maxes and workouts go like this;

weight - 145lbs

last maxes
bench - 190lbs
dead - 280lbs
squat - 290lbs

workout (set x reps)
since i’m in a class i have to do the workouts i’m assigned;

bench - 4x4-6
dead - 4x3-5
squat - 4x6-10

those are my core lifts and after i do those, i’ll do aux.

hammer curls (5-6x10-15) at about 35lbs
concentration curls (5-6x10) at about 25lbs
pull downs (5x10) at about 125lbs
and a couple forearm lifts.

that’s mostly what my workouts consist of.

ok, back to the topic; should i take andro? are there major side effects? better alternatives?

thanks.

I don’t know about using steroid stuff, but you could try not doing isolation exercises. Doing nothing but compound exercises will help you gain mass quickest. Like a 5x5 routine, high intensity.

Andro is absolutely worthless for a high schoool junior, and anyone who tells you differently is greatly misinformed. Your endogenous testosterone levels are off the charts already. There is no need for prohormones as your body isn’t going to convert much anyway with natural levels so high. And in addition to that andro is a very weak prohormone. Creatine is vastly superior to someone in your shoes, trust me. Let them take andro, you will be better serviced by taking creatine and eating properly.

At 145lbs you’re still way too small to be even thinking about taking andro (which is a waste of money anyway). So get that idea out of your head right now. Stick to protien and creatine.

And andro,just like steroids, WILL SHUT DOWN YOUR NATURAL TESTOSTERONE. And just be aware, most andro’s on the market artamize heavily. Meaning they convert to estrogen. So andro’s are shit, don’t use them.

In all honesty I’m a fat fuck (not obese, just chubby at the paunch/glutes) at 5’11", 220 pounds, and I am also a pussy when it comes to weightlifting and stuff. I can only do about 5-10 pushups before I become tired. I have a medium-semibig body build (fairly wide shoulders naturally) I am so goddamn out of shape >_<

Should I get my ass on cardio and try to lose some weight first then work on increasing my strength? Or should I try to convert my fat mass to pure muscle and focus more on strength training over Cardio?

You can’t turn fat into muscle. You can either lose fat or gain muscle. It’s almost impossible to put on muscle and lose a lot of fat at the same time.

I’d put on some muscle if I were you. Since its winter you won’t be wearing tight clothes and such, so you won’t have much to show off. And then come early spring, start dieting and cutting up in case you want to go to the beach in the summer, so at least you know you would have put on some muscle so you would look bigger when you cut.

ACTUALLY…me and my roommate both slim down when we lift weights. For one…lifting in the morning is supposed to make u burn more calories during the day…and I’ve always been told by trainers that ur metabolic tissue is muscle.

I’ve lost over 20 pounds since I started lifting 6 months ago…I’m trying to gain some of it back in the way of muscle mass now though…getting a lot more strict on my diet. And by that I mean making sure I take in a solid amount of protein on a daily basis.

And about not being able to turn fat to muscle…in a way body fat helps…because the metabolism of a person with no body fat will be working against them alot more than a person with body fat…burning muscle mass in the place of fat…

Ahh I see.

And no, the “pain” wasnt anything major, but today I took a break anyhow. I sorta ate a little careless today as well but I’ll pay for it tomorrow with some serious cardio.

what exercises could I do to broaden out my shoulders, and whats the best way to gain 70-80 pounds

Eat like a madman. I also highly recommend creatine, that stuff makes you gain muscle like crazy, my bench went from 225 to 250 in a month so i’m very satisfied. thats one route i’d take if i were in your shoes.

side note: try adding a protein bar to ur daily meals. :tup:

Also a question to the weightliftin pro’s, how effective is it to take creatine with grape juice vs water? i mixed my creatine with grapejuice for the first 5 loadin days, then i just used water after that, some people tell me the juice has insulin that helps it absorb better.

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