Calipers are actually pretty accurate when used by a professional. Just be patient man you’ll get there. I’m not in a pissing match but obliterate is just incorrect on what he assumes are correct bodyfat levels. The problem is the inaccuracy of his scale but whatever. Now he’s gone from a chef to a double majored biology grad. Interesting.
Rofl.
magnus : can you list out a few exercises for fullbody workout ?
i’m not paticularly concern about body fat now . i have 15% .
Yeah it is interesting, I went to college full-time while working full-time as a chef. I wanted to get a degree in something as opposed to nothing. I could not afford culinary school (the total cost was about $130,000 for four years), while county college and then transferring to in-state Rutgers was a total of about 25,000. So yeah it is interesting and does make sense. When I got my degree I was making $45,000 as a sous chef, and a entry level job for biology was around $30,000 to $35,000 (I graduated in 2004 with a BS in Biological Sciences, took some more courses later and got a double major in Sports Medicine). I actually gave it a try at a local company, did inside sales/customer service but I didn’t like it, so I stayed in the culinary field. I’m glad that I have a degree in the sciences because it helps me understand how the world works and how to try to have logical arguements with someone. And I’m not saying that my bodyfat scale is the end-all answer and is 100% accurate, nothing in this is world can be said with 100% accuracy (one of those things about the scientific method you know). I agree with you that there are better ways of getting your bodyfat taken, and I DID get them taken that way ALONG with the bodyfat scale. So I had it verified by three different sources (scale, calipers, and whatever the hell the name is for that water bodyfat test…forgot).
And also, I’m not saying that what works for me and what happens to me is the all encompassing answer for everyone. That would be flawed as hell. I’m just speaking from personal experience and visual observations of others. Like I said, I know people who have fairly low bodyfats and no visible abs, and others who have higher bodyfats and more visible abs. But I have yet to see someone who has that shredded “beach ready” abs unless they under 5% bodyfat. At least in my MIND of what I consider “beach ready”. That could be left up to interpretation really.
I also don’t want to turn this thread into an arguement, not that I mind argueing with you. If everyone agreed with what I had to say life would be boring anyways.
I also believe that the statement of people with extremely low bodyfat had to take drugs to get to that point, but that’s your opinion and if you want to keep it then fine. I know many people who do take roids and others who don’t; personally I don’t because of the cost and dangers of it. If one day roids become legal and I can get them from a reputable doctor, its cheap, effective, and won’t make my nuts shrink then maybe I will reconsider. But now there’s no way in hell.
And like I said man, I’m more of all around athlete then someone who cares about how he looks. Having muscularity is just a nice side effect.
Anyways, nuff with the argueing cause argueing on the internet is pretty pointless.
Full body workout? Damn, I don’t really do those. Too many muscle groups in one day in my opinion. There are so many books out now with so many splits that I would recommend picking one up. Or you can check out free resources that have many splits posted, such as www.bodybuilding.com (just skip through the BS). Let me wipe the dust off some of my books and see if I can pull something up for you. Do you have access to a gym or are you working out at home with no equipment? What are the resources available to you?
Oh and uh Ayel (your name has too many symbols for me to type it all out); like I said I am at about 9 or 10% now and I have vary vague ab definition, so you’re not alone. A lot has to do with subcutaneous water retention; that’s why bodybuilders dehydrate themselves before a comp. I don’t recommend dehydration, just keep working at it. Also, what color is your skin? The darker your skin, the more definition you can see, so you may want to tan. Also, I find not having body hair (IE shaving it off) increases definition as well. I don’t know how you train abs, but I find adding resistance to my ab exercises helps, such as using an ab machine, weighted crunches (using a pulley rope), weighted knee raises, decline crunches with a medicine ball, etc. But again the main component of your abs is bodyfat levels.
I think bodyfat images are skewed because of the fact that you can’t just look at someone and tell where they are. There is almost no visible difference between say 13 and 16%BF.
I could pick up an issue of men’s health or any magazine for that matter and find 10 guys right now that have great abs but aren’t at 4% bodyfat.
Ok full body exercises can be anything really, it’s the way you arrange them that count. Just make sure the meat and potatoes of ur workout are compound movements. I’m not writing anymore workouts for this thread however, I’ve done it like 4 or 5 times now. You can either use those workouts or use them as a guide.
What magnus is talking about is a concept I like to call the"lean body" zone. There is a pretty substantial range of bodyfat levels in most people between where they are not ripped, and yet the abs remain visible. Its probably a 5% window where there is no really appreciable difference in appearance so it is easy to fool yourself into believing you have stopped either losing or gaining. This is the reason so many people claim “I was cutting and then gained 15 lbs in a month and gained no bodyfat”. Water weight and this strange bodyweight phenomena.
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Oh yeah…forgot about that.
Yeah, I don’t notice that much of a difference in bodyfat percentages from lets say 12 to 10%, but once you go single digit then going from 7% to lets say 6% becomes very apparent…and more difficult. One thing I noticed when I was at very low bodyfat is the amount of veinage, I looked like an anatomy picture. Again I was a skinnier person at this bodyfat (154 lbs.), I decided to bulk up because my strength at that weight wasn’t that great, so I got back up to around 185 (added some muscle and fat of course), and now I’m at 173ish. I’d like to get in at 167, so I don’t have to worry about dehydrating myself before a competition (MMA). I never understood that philosophy of dehydrating one’s self, training like a lunatic 24 hours before the event to lose some pounds and make weight. Why not lose the weight way in advance? For instance my fight is at the end of the year and I have an event at the beginning of 07, and I only have about 4 more pounds to go. Why wait the day before?
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809262865/trailer
check out the spartan training, it shows how they trained the dudes in the movie…i think they went through 3 months of training before they started to film. the dude at the beginning who introduces the clip, does not work out and he only worked out for the movie and after the movie was done did not stick with working out (i saw this in another interview)…if you look later in the clip you will see him wearing the spartan outfit looks jacked as shit…did they put him on roids? because to look like that in 3 months is rediculous…
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Roberth
I’ve seen it debated on another site. They say that while some need to put on a ton of muscle inside a short period of time probably do use drugs…the coaches were all in accordance that someone who doesn’t have alot of training experience is getting ready for a role, he is the “perfect” scenario. He has someone to plan and cook all of his meals, he trains, rests, and eats. So the gains this person could make will be astounding.
At the same time, not all these guys need to gain weight, just as the guy in the clip said. Sometimes just gettin ripped will make you look bigger.
Indeed, I remember the article you linked about bulking/cutting mentioned the illusion of being “big”.
that is true, but the guy who plays the main character was not big at all before the movie…anyway, i just thought it was interesting…im sure they got them on supplements imaginable that are close to steriods but are not really considered steriods…
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Roberth
Ryu and Terry Bogard have pulled this off for years, there duffle bags are full of money.
I have a friend who is a very good MMA fighter his crazy on bruce lee and follows his ways to the max, he does shitty jobs here and there his currently working in some gym training kids, all he does is train and fight and get laid, so it is possible.
This bodyfat debate was interesting.
What’re my rotator cuffs? I’m not even sure if that’s the right name.
Only asking because my right shoulder’s ball-and-socket area hurts a little when I do simple things. For example, I was trying to scrub some stuff off a table today and when I started to press hard when cleaning, the area hurt.
It’s not as bad with my left side, but the right one is straight painful at times.
The rotator cuff is comprised of 4 small muscles…the supraspinatus, infraspinatus, teres minor, and teres major.
You might have a little tendonitus goin on there bud. But there’s no way for me to really know…shrugs
Steroids is VERY real in hollywood. Just not completely necessary ALL the time. 
Thank you for the video. VERY interesting find.
Sometimes I wonder if my workout is intense enough, and seeing as how I am not ‘nervous’ and ‘ready to vomit’ then I guess it isn’t hard enough. Hm.
You guys aren’t all NERVOUS and shit pre-workout are you?
I always figured for Hollywood, it was just the fact that they had 110% of their diets planned by an expert. And thus they had huge gains. But in an industry where little girls vomit up their dinner, steriods should not be a surprise.
How low am I supposed to go for back squats? I ask this cuz I almost popped a hernia doing squats for my 5x5 week of periodization. I told the guy next to me what happened and he said I go down too low. However, I am under the impression that ass to grass squats are the way to go. This happened during the second set of my workout, so I didn’t go nearly as low as I normally do for the rest of the exercise. Shit felt way too easy not going down all the way. Thoughts?
Alright thanks, I’ll try taking it easy this week and see if there’s any change later.
my thoughts are you should be squatting again if you actually got a hernia hahahaha wtf…
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lol, he said popped a hernia like he “popped” a zit lolz.
frisco, anyone who tells you that you squat too low is automatically disqualified from giving you anymore advice.
Now if you have really poor hip flexibility then you need to be stretching to reach greater depths as opposed to something a lot of people do…relax and “fall” into the whole.