So THAT’S what the S means. Sagar tier. Hahah
Also 
@ Ken
fuckin’ Ryu man. also curious about in order or grouped, because Blanka isn’t that gimp is he?
I’m pretty sure that it’s in order and grouped.
wow :wonder: ken, and blanka surprised me… I guess I get blanka but ken? what makes ken that bad? and I imagined boxer higher.
I am also surprised that they would put Ken beneath Fuerte and Chun. Any rationale for that?
Boxer makes the game dumb. So dumb. Maybe I should start playing boxer. Maybe I should ‘play’ DOA4 in computer vs. computer picture-taking mode. Maybe I’ll just set myself on fire over here!
My theory is that tournament placing is a huge factor as well. Character wise I can’t really think of a reason why Ken or Blanka would be that low. Blanka’s still pretty solid even though a lot of stuff is punishable and Ken’s a shoto in SFIV, nuff said. I think if Ken’s ultra was like, easier to land (auto combo) or had like easier applications (good as anti air, to throw out against projectiles, etc) that he’d be way higher than he is. I think damage is harder to come by for Ken since this game is defensive. Anyway,
SFIV SFIV SFIV
yeah, his ultra was the only reason that came to my mind… I think it’s tight that he has to land something to get his ultra off though. I don’t like making one mistake and eating huge damage in one move :lol: makes sense tier wise though.
hehehe Man…Bison has been doing this technique since Champion Edition Street Fighter hehe comedy.
I mean a lot of ST stuff works in here. Have you bisons know about the corner cross up with ex missile?
Throw someone into corner, slide at them, wait til they are about to fully stand. At the last second u ex missile through them and start mashing short. It crosses up so fast they block the other way and short hits, then u just link into combo lol
That set up used to mean death in ST. Now its just a 35% damage combo lol
J-Cole
ps - Balrog is still S tier, japan just sucks with rog and rather play a gay shoto. We will show them whats up, man im really starting to think about SBO now. Be nice to go over there and rape them with rog.
Figured I might as well post the link here. Ohayo1234 posted up videos from a SBO qualifier that took place yesterday. Mago/Nemo won it all. They can be found here…
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=icyohayo1234&view=videos
-LOL at Iyo vs Mago. That match was funny, also the comment about the # of tiger shots thrown was hilarious as well.
-According to Ohayo, Kokujin (3S Dudley master) uses Ryu in SFIV.
-Nuki and Daigo both lost to a Rufus player.
fujiwara and kuroda are better dudley players.
/fanboiii RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE.
i beat a pretty good rufus at ground kontrol last week.
~dash tiers~
forward dash frames (distance)
Chun…15 (1.4)
Abel…16 (1.4)
Gouken 16 (1.1)
Fuerte…16 (1.1)
Dictator 17 (1.2)
Feilong. 17 (1.1)
Cammy 18 (1.4)
Seth… 18 (1.3)
Boxer… 18 (1.3)
Ken… 18 (1.1)
Sagat… 18 (1.1)
Akuma…18 (1.0)
Ryu… 18 (1.1)
Sakura. 18 (1.0)
Gen… 19 (1.5)
Guile… 19 (1.3)
Viper… 19 (1.3)
Honda… 19 (0.8)
Claw… 20 (1.3)
Rufus… 20 (1.2)
Rose… 21 (1.7) - farthest dash besides sim 
Blanka. 21 (1.5)
Dan… 21 (1.5)
Zangief 26
Dhalsim 32
back dash frames (distance)
Fuerte…19 (0.8) - only 7 inv frames, but airborne 8~12
Chun… 22 (1.3)
Rose … 22 (1.2) identical to chun’s minus that bit of distance!
Claw… 22 (1.2)
Cammy 22 (0.9) - only 6 inv frames, but airborne 7~17 (her backdash is raw)
Boxer… 24 (1.2)
Seth… 25 (1.3)
Akuma. 25 (0.9)
Abel… 25 (0.8)
Gouken 25 (0.8)
Dan… 26 (1.3)
Blanka. 26 (1.2)
Sakura. 26 (1.0)
Guile… 26 (1.0)
Fei Long 26 (0.7)
Gief… 26 (0.8)
Gen… 27 (1.4)
Viper… 27 (1.2)
Rufus… 27 (1.0)
Honda… 27 (0.9)
Ken… 27 (0.8)
Ryu… 27 (0.8)
Sagat… 29 (1.0)
the table itself hurts my eyes so i whipped this up… home sick and bored
When you say Boxer you mean Zangief right?
Wasn’t the guy who placed 2nd in the Japanese national tournament a Ken player?
says the Boxer player :lol:
(nah I totally agree)
Zangief, Sagat, and Balrog are all kinda stupid characters to me. Zangief takes first prize though.
Then we have Guile and Blanka who are just so incredibly ugly that they make you want to quit the game every time you face them.
I personally would much rather play 100 Sagats and Giefs over and over again if it meant I didn’t have to play Blanka ever again. Rufus sucks against him.
I’m kinda sad, I need to get a new 360 pad to hack and some new parts to even have a stick, and also I am a week away from having no 360 to practice on, I want to keep being hype over SFIV!
What in particular causes problems for Rufus?
Also, is it just me or is Guile a bitch for Dhalsim?
From my experiences with some real good Blankas and some incredibly horrible ones:
- dive kicks are 30/70 when used on a downed Blanka. Rufus eats more electricity than Jason Statham when trying to dive rush.
- target combo > ultra doesn’t work.
- random jumping blankas make me angry. Don’t think that’s an actual reason for a Rufus disadvantage, and it isn’t anyone’s fault but mine, just sayin’.
- it’s real hard to have to resort to playing far away from Blanka and pray he screws up. Rufus can’t get any momentum for his offensive beastmode when his main tool for getting in (dive kicks) gets snuffed by electricity, vert rolls, and random jumping kicks. Hahah
QFT
My OPINION/experience:
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He can spam Blanka balls and its tough to punish. If the Blanka player isn’t fast enough you can block, walk forward a bit and cr. FP but that’s about it I think.
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He stuffs most of Rufus’s moves, even EX Messiah
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Electricity and Up balls stop dive kick rush down. You can bait electricity on wake up and punish but that doesnt work against good players.
Basically he’s very difficult to fight because he kills Rufus’s rushdown which is his what makes him good. He is beatable though, you just have to be VERY patient. Right now he’s the only character I have a lot of trouble against. Sagats and Zangiefs aren’t much of a headache for me anymore unless theyre hella good.
EDIT: Beat me to it, but I’ll leave my list up as well.