We can be really good at this game

[JeremyH]

What are you talking about Japanese are really good at KOF. They just had a tournament on KOF XII Japan vs Taiwan and Japan won the whole thing as of right now Japan is the best at KOF XII right now. Have you been to Japan or played real Japanese players before in KOF.

I have no clue about Taiwan honestly, and no I haven’t been to Japan. I’d love to go though. I’m sure there are a lot of fans of the Japanese KoF players, but I don’t think they’re god-tier enough to have nothing to learn by coming to the US and playing here. I’m not sure exactly how you’re so sure they’re the best at KoF12 right now either, but if you’d care to post some match vids I’d watch em. Otherwise I really don’t understand the whole “YAY JAPAN!~” thing. Again depending on the game, I’d rather play Chinese, Mexican, or Koreans.

As far as Japan having nothing to learn from the US though… Dickriding is all fine and dandy, but when people get to the point that they think these people are so high above them, they’ve already decided they’ll be mediocre.

[DeadlyRave-Neo]

What are you talking about Japanese are really good at KOF. They just had a tournament on KOF XII Japan vs Taiwan and Japan won the whole thing as of right now Japan is the best at KOF XII right now. Have you been to Japan or played real Japanese players before in KOF.

vids please

[PELVIC_THRUSTER]

Eh…what? It doesn’t look like you follow the scenes much because Japan’s kof2k2 is actually pretty solid, probably the best in the world. Their kof98 is really solid too, it’s just that there are a few players from China that are a bit better (Dakou, Xiaohai for instance).

JP kof2k2 players that would beat Mexico: 777, Oogosho, Hammer, etc
JP kof98 players that can hang with the best of CHina(mexico is nothing in 98): 777, Oogosho, Kyokugendoa, Raian, etc

How many people in Canada/US play kof2k2/98 on arcade machines? Do they even exist anymore? On GGPO/2DF, there’s a ton of idlers but they don’t want to play kof unless it’s with that one friend, so they can mash it up. There just really isn’t any love for the game.

Shit man, that’s some huge slobber coming out of yo mouf after that Japanese hail session.

But seriously. The Mexicans don’t know how to play KOF 98? Granted they’re better at 2k2 then at 98, but they’re no slouches in that game either.

And Americans have no arcade machines unless you are in California.

[DeMarcus_GPX]

It’s sad, but think about it, do any US (or European) developers even attempt to make fighting games? No. They could give a flying fuck about fighting games, maybe they think it’s a waste of time or it won’t be profitable (probably both), so why should we expect Western gamers to take this genre that seriously either?

What? America is amazing at making fighters… quality games like Tao Feng, Bloody Roar Remix, Mortal Kombat, and Kakuto Chiojin… quality…

I don’t think it’s necessary to travel abroad to become better, although it is a great asset to have. Many top Japanese players don’t travel outside of Japan (although they don’t need to), 99% of the top Marvel players don’t travel outside of the states, and there are top SF4 players in California that don’t even play outside of California. If you look at this, you’ll see that they don’t need to travel, because they already have great competition. I’d take traveling and seeing as many styles as I can, though, any day.

Ummmm… Mvc is the fighter America dominates…

Along the lines of what Dark Geese was saying, even though Japan is usually the best in the fighters… They also fall under the same umbrella American players do which is a localized mentality… I understand it’s impossible for most people to just go to japan, but traveling to other areas is vital to achieving higher levels of play…

For example when my arcade got 3s way back in the day, we learned to play with the usuals (ken, chun, yun) but we had three amazing Yang players… so everyone in the area dabbled and learned him a lot more than another area copying the playstyle, pokes, etc… the kicker was the best Yangs used SA2 instead of 3… So when I went to the west coast to play with Yang, it caught people off guard that I wasn’t rushing for SA3 and took a bunch of matches…

One of my best friends in Japan played Alex back in the day… Problem was he couldn’t beat a bunch of American players cause he wasn’t used to their play styles… He admitted that everyone played it safe at his game centers it took him a week of playing American players before he adapted to a different style…

what would the top Japanese kof players gain from traveling to the US to play? It’s a complete waste of their time, they aren’t going to learn anything new and if anything, US’s gameplay might make them the Japanese get worse at the game.

Completely incorrect, granted the possibility of matching skill levels is skewed… Mindsets, pokes, team compositions, and the fact that different players/areas play characters completely different… (hell, look at my Ash)

Edit: I don’t think the problem is that the US are guilty of copycatting…if anything, they aren’t watching enough and observing what’s really going on.

qft…

[Emil]

Once again there will always be those few players who prove to be the exception, but when I think KoF, my mind doesn’t jump to Japan, it jumps to China, Mexico, and in some cases Korea.

Well the thing is, it isn’t just a few players that are the exception. Also, the reason why Japan might not jump out when you think Kof, is that there are some countries that play ONLY kof (as opposed to Japan) so those countries end up representing kof even though they arent necessarily the best.

US players as a whole are coming out of the woodworks and doing great at almost ALL games. Tekken used to be a primarily Korean ruled game, and now Naps and Chet are downing them left and right.

Well I wasn’t really talking about other games…and yeah Napps was a beast.

Either way, after chilling with Dark Geese at Devastation, he’s got me convinced that you do need to travel to learn. If you aren’t doing that, then you’re limiting yourself. By that same token, the japanese players that you apparently love have done the same thing, so it’s obviously a great help, no matter where you play :tup:

What can they learn? How to deal with inferior metagames that are a result of lack of experience and skill?

[JeremyH]

What can they learn? How to deal with inferior metagames that are a result of lack of experience and skill?

I’m not sure why you think yourself and the people you play with are so shitty, but I guess trying to get you to change your mind would be counter-productive. Suffice to say Americans have a very different type of gameplay, and that’s being exemplified each time an American makes a trip to Japan (See Sabin’s recent SF4 posts for examples).

Again you’re free to dick-ride whoever you’d like, but this thread (at least originally) seems like it’s purpose is to encourage American players to strive to be the best. If that isn’t what you plan to do, then I’m not sure why you’re playing.

[DeMarcus_GPX]

Again you’re free to dick-ride whoever you’d like, but this thread (at least originally) seems like it’s purpose is to encourage American players to strive to be the best. If that isn’t what you plan to do, then I’m not sure why you’re playing.

Said perfectly… Don’t drink that haterade…

Although it sounds foolish and Cliche… If your sure you can’t do it… then your right…

[l2slythe]

;7374596’]Said perfectly… Don’t drink that haterade…

Although it sounds foolish and Cliche… If your sure you can’t do it… then your right…

Dito

I was reading half the first page of this thread. Most of it was ‘blah blah blah’. Did anyone else get a good read at that?

[Tetsuo_Yagami]

Anyway, one step to getting good at kof is playing me on GGPO/2DF.

I think I’ve done that a few times. (I don’t use GGPO, but I’m on 2DF all the time)

But yeah, 2DF and GGPO are giving birth to more good players, and helping them graduate to great players.

If it weren’t for 2DF, I wouldn’t have competition. I’ve played these games by myself my whole life, but I learned how radically playing another person differs from playing the computer…and I haven’t done 1-player on any 2DF-supported game since. I’m addicted to the competition, I’m developing my own style from the ground up based on what works for me and what doesn’t, and these places are giving birth to hundreds of players just like this. I know there’s a lot of n00bs/scrubs/ragequitters on 2DF, but there’s also some seriously adept players as well, people who know the games like the back of their hand.

Besides, these places are worldwide. I play other Americans, sure. But most of my opponents are from somewhere else. Japan, Mexico, France…I can play people from all three of those countries almost lag-free. It’s a lot easier and a lot less expensive than learning a foreign language, booking a flight and looking for an arcade. Well, you still might wanna learn a foreign language or two, I’m kinda considering it so I can talk to the people who don’t speak English.

I play the world every single day and develop my own style. I’m doing what this thread is about. And to think, 2DF and GGPO make players like me on a regular basis. These sites are awesome and a pivotal part of steppin’ up your game.