Nice I just signed up. Hopefully I’ll get one too. I think I’m gonna preorder 2 of the HG’s.
Hmm… The HG’s look promising. Assuming I can get a PS3 anytime, I’ll definitely be getting one or two of those.
Side Bar: those lindbergh cabinets look sexy… I want!
I’ll decide on whether or not I’ll preorder a VSHG in January, but besides just looking at the pictures, does anyone know for sure that the VSHG will have the same Lindbergh Sanwa parts? I know it’s too early to know anything at the moment, but I don’t want another T5 Hori fiasco. 
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The button layout isn’t that bad is it?
it’s not like we can use these things with converters or anything…
wait a second- sanwa makes black/gray buttons? I thought only seimitsu made black buttons.
if you check Mr. Dinh order from akihabarashop, they are sanwa OBSF-30 K/N whick are black and gray.
The plungers are covered up, so you can just see the black. So with the buttons being black and gray (not that dark blue), this means they have dark gray ball tops as well correct, just like the HG? I am now a happy camper.
You may be right about that, but I was speculating, I didn’t say I knew for sure that L2 and R2 were analog for sure, someone with a PS3 needs to confirm this.
Play-asia sent a special merry christmas email giving me a $10 coupon for any order over $60 and $15 for any order over $100 but I need to use them before the end of this month. I think I may use them to buy 2 of those high grades even though I don’t own a PS3 yet. I hope they have Quick Disconnects inside the stick for modability.
No, the button layouts are fine, it’s the button placement that’s the problem with the Sega VSHG. Oh well it’s not that bad or anything, just that I’m lazy and I want a default setup right away. I’ll make my decision in January on the status of the VSHG.
BigEd80: Yeah, right after I posted, MarkMan posted that. I used the $10 to preorder VF5 already, even though I don’t own a PS3 yet.
the HG looks sick, but it still too early to tell if its stock parts or sanwa.
I would love to be wrong, but it is HIGHLY unlikely that the VSHG will use Sanwa or Seimitsu parts.
If you look in the past, Sega has only used real arcade grade parts (Sanwa/Seimitsu) on their Virtua Stick Pros. Some will argue that SOME of the Virtua Sticks came with LS-56, but I’ve owned more than six Virtua Sticks and none of mine were LS-56. Another thread has accounts of most people who have had Virtua Sticks saying that their parts were not LS-56 either.
In any case, even Hori has only made the HRAP series of sticks with Sanwa/Seimitsu parts. Even their standard HRAP1/2 only have JLF joysticks with Hori buttons and those debuted at prices higher than the VSHG. And the HRAP SA and SE are the only sticks that have come stock with complete Sanwa/Seimitsu parts at MUCH higher prices than the VSHG and still go for around 30,000 yen.
It’s wishful thinking to even hope that it will have a JLF or LS-32. It’s a far and away fantasy to hope they will have OBSF or PS-14 buttons.
The ONLY reason, I have even an inkling of hope that it will have a JLF is because the JLF-TP-8SK was considered to be the VF4 joystick mechanism.
But again, I would LOVE to be wrong.
~Paik
For all we know, Sega could’ve had some deal made with Sanwa about this to go along with the setups they made for the Lindbergh cabinets.
That is completely true, they could have made a deal…but I find it hard to believe they would make a deal and turn around and just pass along the savings to the consumer. You could easily say that Hori could have worked out a deal wih Sanwa seeing as they’ve being dealing with Sanwa when it comes to console joysticks.
Anyway, logically, if they were to get parts for say half the price from Sanwa due to this deal, they would stand to make $1 on each button and $8 on a JLF. That’s a savings of about $15 ($8 for joystick and $7 for the seven buttons) in components per stick. Some might say that’s not a lot but multiply that by a thousand sticks…Now this is the savings they would receive if they only charged the consumer the same amount Sanwa charged them. Everyone knows that you have to do a markup in the real world. I think you guys get my point.
Another oddity to me is that people seem to think that these black bezel/grey plunger buttons are something new. Yes, they are new from Sanwa, but Hori has used them before back during the original PlayStation, not even PS2. A specific example is the Hori Fighting Stick PS: http://neoayatonantes.com/shop/images/acc/ps1_fightingstick.jpg
And grey balltops have been around even longer and has been used more often than the grey/black buttons.
Some more observant people might point out that it appears that the joystick has a black shaft cover which is a potential sign that the joystick is a JLF-TP-8SK, but many of the ASCII joystick line have used shaft covers on their JLF knock-off joysticks. A specific example is shown here: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://hh141.hiphip.com/Merchant/0701/1101/ascii_stick_ft2_store.jpg&imgrefurl=http://hh141.hiphip.com/templates/frmTemplateR.asp%3FCatalogID%3D3827%26SearchYN%3DN%26subFolderID%3D1&h=188&w=232&sz=12&hl=en&start=7&tbnid=IjMhkbAsfIbMCM:&tbnh=88&tbnw=109&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dascii%2Bstick%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26c2coff%3D1%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DG
Or if you want a real account, here is some comparison shots I took of the Sanwa shaft cover side by side with one from the ASCII: http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a141/Paik4Life/Useful%20Photos/P1010163.jpg
Again, I’m not saying it’s out of the realm of possibility that these are in fact real Sanwa parts. I’m just saying that it’s not logical for people to come to that conclusion first. I find it much more believable that the picture shown does have actual Sanwa parts but that the actual product will contain stock parts.
It common to see pics of products that contain higher quality parts than those that are used in the actual product.
Once again, I honestly hope I’m wrong, but I’m not getting my hopes up, and I don’t think you guys should either. Disappointment is very bitter-tasting : (
~Paik
Well we’ll find out in February, either that or we’ll use those new PS1/2->PS3 converters the third parties are starting to crank out. :looney:
I like Sanwa buttons, so it’s nice to be able to get them in the color that I want. Hori buttons feel mushy to me and Seimitsus, the standard GNs and high grade GXs are stiff as all hell and feel like shit after you’ve had them for a while.
As for the tops, every top i’ve played on from Hori has that plastic poping out where they form the casing and to me that shit is annoying, Seimitsus have it too but Sanwa balltops are smooth as hell. It’s also nice to be able to buy the tops now not get some used one or strip parts from another stick.
None of these sticks look to be wireless. Anyone think it’s possible to rig up a wireless stick by modding a PS3 control? Yeah it’s a long shot asking if it’s possible right now, but I just wondering if there’s a feint glimmer of hope.
An article from Watch Impress says that * Both both joysticks, was loaded for the first time at play station 3 loading the PS button feature.* While Google’s crappy translation software does produce some pretty cryptic sentences I’d interpret this one as the PlayStation-button indeed being featured on the Fighting Stick 3.
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20061213/hori.htm
What i got from that is that it said BOTH sticks are able to use the button for the first time as a characteristic of the stick. Or something along those lines.
So the button next to turbo that says “Home” is probably the PS button.
Kinda want the Fighting Stick 3 just to have a PS3 stick (cause i know i’ll need one) but whoever said its ugly was right about that.
Yes, it has a PlayStation button now, but not before:
- Original Flyer
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20061213/hori01.jpg
- Updated Screenshot
Looks like it was just thrown in there afterwards.
no doubt Paik, but seeing as how I can’t afford a ps3 for awhile, much less one of these sticks…
I don’t mind dreaming.
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