Virtua Fighter or Tekken

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where is this generalization coming from? tekken being equivalent to checkers?

vf is solid but tekken has deep gameplay off of the ground, setups off of juggles, and a throw game that isn’t about completely guessing what a throw could be.

i’m not hating on vf, but people playing into “vf is the deepest game ever” should really sit down and play the game. vf is really easy to pick up depending on your character (you’re not going to learn shun di or lei fei in a few days), and its really just learning matchups and situations. i don’t see knowing when its preferable to sidestep and throw punish as being the deepest gameplay i’ve ever seen, and the fact that any blocked move leads into what is essentially an educated game of rock paper scissors.

i enjoy vf, and would play more if there was competition for it, but i think the community has assfucked itself by claiming its “the deepest game ever,” and it scares off alot of potential players who don’t want to get involved. people can’t even deal with 3s chun li and they’re convinced that 3s has the deepest 2-d fighting system out there. sure, tekken still has its scrubs who think pauls falling leaf/deathfist mixup is the best thing in the game, and that’s why they play, but at least people play it instead of being scared off of it.

vf has alot of depth, but alot of that depth is knowing as many situations as possible and how to option out to get the best result. its a constant mind game of using advantages and disavantages and the ability to basically play rock paper scissors with options. i think the “deepest fighting game ever” tag is something people just say because its the status quo. you really can’t be looked down on it, because who the fuck really plays the game deep enough to actually know if what they’re saying is true. most people pick up the game, get bitch owned, walk away convinced that the game is crazy, and never play again. i think if vf community would stop all that shit, and promote the game better, then people would pick it up and see that it isn’t as mind fucking as people would lead you to believe, and you’d see the vf community grow.

i enjoy vf, and would like more people to play, but i don’t think people give tekken enough credit. there are people out there that would easily dominate you no matter how good you think you are in both games. just because tekken has juggles and a ground game doesn’t mean that its a scrubby game. tekken, like vf, has alot that i love and hate about it, but vf players are few and far between.

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I would just like to say that the VF community (as in VFDC) does not advocate Virtua Fighter as “the deepest fighting game of all time” directly. Some players believe it but most do not go out of their way to spout it.

It is usually random dudes on forums and people who generally don’t play the game and want to look good who spout it. Alot of players are trying to advertise VF5 as not as demanding for newer players while still offering newer depth a strategy in the totally revamped movement system and Offensive/Defensive moves.

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lol

Tekken master strategy
Set up launcher---->Juggle to wall------->Wall combo-----okizeme

well of course it not exactly like that but if you can at least that you are not a scrub…lol

lol you see why kuma isnt toptier

VF master Strategy
Manipulate advantage and disadvantage, this combined with mind games makes agreat player…

Overall about the same difficulty…just a prferene I like fair games…Some of tekkens techniques are wack/.\

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that’s good to hear. i’ve frequented vfdc for a while, and alot of that stuff doesn’t go on there, but it goes on everywhere else. but i usually stay away from the general forums, so it would be hard for me to know what the hardcore think about that take.

as for comoesa, tekken has just as many mind games as vf. don’t get it twisted. juggles are just combos. combos are in every game. i can crossup j.mk, c.short, c.short, c.short super with ken but that doesn’t mean i can play ken for shit. i won’t look scrubby, but if that’s all i can do, anyone with an ounce of knowledge will know that i’m scrubby. cats who can just juggle are good think they’re hot shit until they learn they can’t get thier launchers off and get hurt for it in return.

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lol how about you quit both games?

Some comments here are so ridiculous.

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Instead of saying stuff, how about contributing to the actual topic?

:rolleyes:

Anyway, VF5 all the way. You can’t argue the fact that the game is leagues beyond deeper than any other fighter on the planet. This is one of the few(if not the only) fighters that theory fighter works on because there’s a counter to every counter in the game. There really is a move for every situation.

There is definitely no doubt that your main game in T5DR is juggles. You’re gonna need at least 2 if you want to win. And it’s not like you can’t get good in T5DR. The window of opportunity for learning is way smaller compared to VF.

It’s safe to say, though, that tiers don’t make a difference in either game. T5DR works differently when it comes to tiers as opposed to VF where the game is infinitely balanced and whoring out Akira means almost nothing if you can’t use him properly(but, hey, that’s in all fighters). Basically, you’re gonna find more tier whores in Tekken than in VF. Just look at it, someone as bottom tier as El Blaze can win against any of the top characters(Akira, Sarah, Jacky). Whereas in T5DR, Devil Jin means certain death. So yeah, I’ll give both games that: their tier listing is just really a list and not a guideline(i.e. 3S).

Right now, I think of it as Goldilocks and the Three Bears:

DOA is too soft.

VF5 is too hard.

But, T5DR? It’s just right.

And most people want to go with something more comfortable and offers a bit of everything without being too complex and without being too easy. But, that’s my personal experience with these games.

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really good players bother my eyes and I don’t know what you mean by decent.

Care to explain depth of both games, when you make dumb comment like that?

thx

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i’m pretty sure none of those characters are top tier. i know shun’s top, lei fei and eileen are up there. akiras fairly low and sarah and jacky are fairly middle.

and devil jin is certain death if your opponent is fucking ridiculous. he’s comparable to shun di after a few drinks… he’s hard to work with and requires a shit load of practice. with devil jin, you need to be ridiculous with his movements like his cd and cancels to be really dominant. he’s got some gay shit, like his 1+2 break and being able to ws+2 punish like a bitch, but that’s only going to get you so far. devil jin’s top, but only with time invested. how many crazy good american devil jin’s are there that completely dominate? 1 or 2 could be considered a really big threat, but there aren’t any that are top picks to win a big tourney unless the cards fall perfectly.

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Yeah, I know Shun is one of those up there. One way or the other, El Blaze will usually have a bit of a tough time against a very good Sarah/Jacky/Akira player.

Hmm…never thought of him as Shun. Which is weird because he does have weirder movement than the rest of the cast and most of his stuff is ridiculously hard to juggle. I’ve seen a few Devil Jin’s at CF, but that’s about it. Guess you’re right about time having to be invested into DJ. =/

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Fighting Layer.

…that went well.

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Actually I don’t who you’re talking about, please explain. For the record I love both series.

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Shun is one of the easiest characters to play, he gets away with a lot of stuff that doesn’t require learning vf fundamentals.

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Let’s kill this now.