VF, Where's the love?

[Hecatom]

VF5’s netcode is better than SFIV, T6, SCIV, and is up to or near BlazBlue, MvC2 HD, or HDR quality in my opinion. I’ve got at least 250 matches in all of those games both individually online and offline. It’s amazing how good VF’s netcode is considering that it was a total rush job by Sega. I wouldn’t say that VF5’s netcode isn’t great at all. It most certainly is and still holds up well today. SFIV and T6 came out two years after VF5 and don’t have as good online play. Yeah it’s not GGPO but nothing else is either.

now i think that you are trolling, vf5 netcode its good, but not that good to be compared to BB or HDR, from my experience its between T6 and SF4, when you get a good connection its similar to sf4 at 3 bars

[MaDWaK]

now i think that you are trolling, vf5 netcode its good, but not that good to be compared to BB or HDR, from my experience its between T6 and SF4, when you get a good connection its similar to sf4 at 3 bars

yeah true.

imo games by netcode

HDR > BB = VF5 > everything else > Tekken = SC4 > KOF12

[Hecatom]

are you nuts, BB > HDR>>SF4>VF5>Tekken 6>>>>>> everything else
of course the differences between BB and HDR are kinda minimal, in terms of quality

[tataki]

are you nuts, BB > HDR>>SF4>VF5>Tekken 6>>>>>> everything else
of course the differences between BB and HDR are kinda minimal, in terms of quality

To tell you the truth I think the netcodes’ performances depend on where you live.
Where I live for some reason BB is unplayable (not just for me- for every member of the local scene) and SF4 seems to work better.
But GGPO is always the best.

[Bloodyshinta]

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I hope this movies turns into Yoshi cutting everyone into ribbons, then Itagaki-san comes out and grabs nina’s jugs and it all ends with nightmare blowin the place sky high.

It doesn’t matter if you want the arcade version. You have to lease that shit from SEGA. Can’t just go and buy it…

sigh.

Whats this junk all about? leasing an arcade machine? how the hell do you make money? is this true for all sega arcades?

Yeah. (sniffs)

Lets’ have another 100 page long thread about how crunk and how awesome VF is and how we like how deep it is. And how Sega is faggotty and won’t release VF5R and only leases out their fucking cabinets. And how we should rally together to ask them nicely again despite all the times they ignored us, told us we were annoying/disruptive and don’t support their own loyal player base, even in Japan. Or maybe about how its so misunderstood and the playerbase is so small and yet people continue to play other games despite talking it up. People can play Snore Fighter Bore for hours on end, but won’t come near VF despite the praise everyone gives it.

Hope this thread gets locked soon.

Lockin this thread will only add to the problem, but if you are a tekken fanboy that might be part of your agenda… I knew it was a goddamn conspiracy!

Hi guys. Everytime someone asks VF5R to be ported to consoles, Sega creates a new Sonic character.

Stop before you doom us all.

good point, maybe sega should just go all fighting vipers style and start throwing everything including the kitchen sink into VF to get people more interested.

That Sega All Star racing game is rumored to have Akira and Jacky as characters.

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Don’t forget Ryo Hamutherfuckingzuki… im gonna go kill myself when that game comes out.

The Virtua Fighter series actually gets a lot of respect among the fighting game community but, when you get right down to it, very few players in the States and Canada play actively or are interested in playing competitively. In fact, there are barely any of them. I believe there’s a tiny but dedicated following in New York, and there are players speckled across the west coast. I think VF5 on Xbox Live still has some people on it too. As others have already mentioned, all of those people are on VFDC.

For what it’s worth, VF is the only fighting game in WCG’s lineup right now. I’m too not sure about places like Korea or Europe, I’m pretty sure it struggles everywhere outside than Japan. For the record, the game still does very well in Japanese arcades; it doesn’t command the same level of dominance that it did in the past (#1 game for long stretches of time) but the scene is apparently still quite healthy.

People are fond of tossing around theories as to why VF does not possess a degree of popularity significant and consistent enough for a devoted North American scene to fully establish itself. These theories are all very, very debatable but the truth probably does contain some combination of them. Here are a few of the most commonly cited reasons, all of which are popular choices to argue about:

1. The game isn’t “flashy” enough to draw interest from the masses of general video game fans. It doesn’t seem exciting and shiny and x-treeeme enough. There are no gimmicks here, either: no plot story book tale, no cut-scenes animated sequences FMV intros endings, and no major unlockables. Aesthetically, it sounds a little weird, has essentially no art direction or visual inspiration, and its graphics have usually had the unfortunate timing of starting off as or quickly becoming second-best. This, according to the theory, either seriously minimizes or altogether eliminates any possible influx of new players.

2. The game has built an intimidating forcefield of a reputation around itself for having an impossibly high, difficult, challenging, complicated, time-consuming, brutal, and unforgiving learning curve. Its hardcore players celebrate this, and the media stresses this whenever they give it attention. (My opinion, it’s true that the game can be a little tough to get into at first, but it’s been completely blown out of proportion by people who looove to exaggerate.) While this may serve to bolster a mystique surrounding the series, it’s decidedly counter-productive to getting people to try it out.

3. Arcades are virtually (ha ha) dead here, and VF has a long and infamous history for somehow disappointing its supporters with its home console releases. Among VF fans, Sega has become notorious for it. This strongly encourages the dissolution of the existing player base.
   the ugly details

[details=Spoiler]VF3 was never ported. Rather, a Saturn port was completed but its release was cancelled just before the commencement of production.

VF3tb was ported to the struggling Dreamcast about a year after its arcade release.

VF4 was ported to PS2 quickly after its last arcade sub-revision but shortly before VF4e was announced for arcades.

VF4e was ported to PS2 quickly after its last arcade sub-revision but shortly before VF4ft was announced for arcades.

VF4ft was never ported. Fans remained both sad and hopeful all the way up until the announcement of VF5.

VF5 was ported to PS3, marketed as an exclusive release for the console. Despite the requests of fans, online play was not included, with the producers publicly stating that they would never add online play to VF because it would dilute the proper experience. Shortly after the PS3 port’s release, arcades received a new sub-revision update; this was never added to the port. Shortly after that, VF5 was also released on 360: the new sub-revision, and with online play. The quality of the netcode was apparently good but not great. (Shortly after this, arcades received another sub-revision that was never brought to the PS3 or the 360 but no balancing changes were made so it’s kind of negligible.) Shortly after that, VF5r was announced for arcades.

VF5r has been in arcades for almost two years now and has not yet been ported. The only people outside of VFDC who still care are probably all in this thread. Almost not joking.

For the record, even when the series might’ve had a fighting (HA HA) chance of being an arcade hit, back when we still had arcades everywhere, 90% of VF1 machines proudly bore one of the most unfortunate control panels you could think to give a technical versus fighting game. Some wooden stand-up cabinets had their buttons spaced widely apart from one another, and most of them had their layouts sloped in opposite directions for each player: right side was okay, left side was terrible. Good setups were almost non-existent. Good setups for VF2 were uncommon but still rare; despite this, VF2 enjoyed fair popularity.

VF3 came when most arcades were already on life support and VF4’s first edition came at a time when arcades were all but dead. VF4’s later editions were not released here (arcades were officially pooched by this point) but could be imported, at import prices of course. VF5’s arcade version simply cannot be imported because they must be connected to a Japanese Sega network at all times in order to function properly.[/details]

To elaborate on the ways in and reasons for which VF is respected by players of other fighting games, the series is recognized for its remarkably well-designed gameplay and its innovative approach to the genre. It is noted for the level of depth inherent in its system mechanics. It also consistently stands as an example of excellent game balance.

yeah VF does have good netcode. I have the worst ISP living in the midwest and can play Japanese players and it will feel like a 4 bar sf4 connection.

That seriously irritates me that SEGA doesnt give a shit about American ports and arcades though. I was all into VF for like a month until I heard about sega sueing EVO for releasing a fucking dvd.

also I stopped playing VF because I was thinking, whats the point of even playing VF if there is a very small US scene, and there’s probably never gonna be another console release let alone American VF game? While tekken, which Im a LOT more familliar with, has a huge scene everywhere while namco at least knows how to promote their game.

this might sound ridiculous, but i hope that increasing internet speeds will bring arcades back. Imagine being able to play with people in Japan and the dude right next to you. Ranbat tourneys could go down without people having to fly all over the place… the pots could get quite large if this were the case.

[deadfrog]

Hi guys. Everytime someone asks VF5R to be ported to consoles, Sega creates a new Sonic character.

laughter/tears

[R_Panda]

This whole thread is laughter/tears.

[Tech_Romancer]

Lockin this thread will only add to the problem, but if you are a tekken fanboy that might be part of your agenda… I knew it was a goddamn conspiracy!

No, although I admit T6 is a lot better than I first gave it credit; I’d still never play it over VF (we still play VF4/EVo and VF3TB on DC over here).

To be honest we’ve had AT LEAST 3 threads on SRK about VF in this exact same vein and there’s really nothing new in this thread that hasn’t been said before. VF is great, gets talked up but not played, Sega sucks and is basically killing its own franchise, FlyMike is awesome, blah blah.

You should really use the search function in the future. And a few of these threads were only back a few pages.

[The_Electrifying_One]

dunno about this whole ‘can’t have VF5 cabinets outside Japan as they need to be connected to SEGA network’. We have a VF5 cabinet in Troc, London and it works fine. At one point it was 20p a play and very popular!

[Hecatom]

he is talking about the VF5R, and for what i know you cant import them, because they are only for renting or some bullshit like that, you cant buy them

To tell you the truth I think the netcodes’ performances depend on where you live.
Where I live for some reason BB is unplayable (not just for me- for every member of the local scene) and SF4 seems to work better.
But GGPO is always the best.

talking about that, with a friend of mine who live near, i cant play any one of the fighting games that we have (sf4, BB, T6), but when it comes to mw2 we can connect fine :looney:

[Bloodyshinta]

how much does a vf5 cab cost?

[Tech_Romancer]

How many redundant posts will it take to close this thread?

[FlyMike]

Ah, no VF thread is complete without you.

I take it back, keep this thread open.

Lol, I don’t even hunt down threads like these anymore. Haven’t browsed forums for months. Randomly hit up FG forum and lo and behold what do I find top of page? Free…

But I’m not about destroying faith anymore. Power to 2010. Maybe they give us new Fighting Vipers with Lau Chan on a BMX bike and shit.

[Tech_Romancer]

We probably would see a new FV before they release VF5R.

That’s just how sad this all is.

[Bloodyshinta]

i just watched a vid of Tekken 6 on the SBO webpage… and now i see why virtua fighter is doomed. That game looks so dumbed down, its got mass appeal written all over it.

[VirtuaFighterFour]

dunno about this whole ‘can’t have VF5 cabinets outside Japan as they need to be connected to SEGA network’. We have a VF5 cabinet in Troc, London and it works fine. At one point it was 20p a play and very popular!

That’s the VF5 international arcade board. You can buy those cabinets outside of Japan. Though now you can only get them used.

he is talking about the VF5R, and for what i know you cant import them, because they are only for renting or some bullshit like that, you cant buy them

Even if you could buy them they wouldn’t work anyways. People at VFDC have offered to buy a VF5R arcade board directly from Sega. And this is what Sega said: “it wouldn’t matter because VF5R arcade machines only function if they are connected to VF.Net, if they aren’t connected the machine will not work”. Meaning VF5R machines are locked to VF.Net and will not work outside of Japan. And there is no international release for VF5R arcade (and there isn’t one planned either).

Sega has total control over VF5R and they keep it exclusive to Japan. :rolleyes:

how much does a vf5 cab cost?

Too much. Just get an arcade machine with a VGA monitor and put a PS3/360 in it.

[deadfrog]

dunno about this whole ‘can’t have VF5 cabinets outside Japan as they need to be connected to SEGA network’. We have a VF5 cabinet in Troc, London and it works fine.

That’s the VF5 international arcade board. You can buy those cabinets outside of Japan. Though now you can only get them used.

Ohhh okay cool, didn’t know about that. I remember them being announced but I didn’t realize they actually got released.

[MaDWaK]

Even if you could buy them they wouldn’t work anyways. People at VFDC have offered to buy a VF5R arcade board directly from Sega. And this is what Sega said: “it wouldn’t matter because VF5R arcade machines only function if they are connected to VF.Net, if they aren’t connected the machine will not work”.

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thats weak. did the VFDC heads ask them why?

[Slide]

thats weak. did the VFDC heads ask them why?

We always asked why. It’s the same reason VF5R isn’t anywhere but Japan, I’m pretty sure arcade owners in Korea or China or somewhere else has offered to buy cabs and Sega has turned them down easy, too.

Who really knows what the problem is, except for Sega themselves.

Haha VF5 couldve had mass appeal if they just gave all of the customization options they allowed in the arcade, for console on day 1(because the defaults to the characters look super plain, especially if you have no history), and marketed that, and the online capability.

[deadfrog]

waiiiit yes I am a moron, last year there was a vanilla VF5 cab at one of the arcades in this city and I completely forgot about it until now