V2013 wishlist for Cody

If we get dat crack kick, you have a reliable anti throw tool :stuck_out_tongue:

Surely not from a defensive point of view?

Does it matter if you do an ex cu or a crack kick when both only are throw immune? You are committed to it if you decide to use it. Tho, crack kick is safe at least.

@Eternal If they give him a reliable backdash, that would kind of merit a nerf on EX CU. Now, backdashing is basically never an option. So it’s understandable why EX CU has throw invincibility. I mean, after backdashing from Zangief’s point blank range, Cody is probably still in range for HP SPD? :smiley: But if you give him a dash that’s actually viable, it would seem a little too much to have EX Criminal Upper throw invincible. Add to this f.HK being throw invincible on first frame…

This is assuming both changes make it into the new version. Although the altered frame data might suggest it in theory, I find it hard to believe that crack kick could perform the job that EX CU currently does. I’ll gladly eat my words if it shakes out that way though :wink:

The suggestion Combofiend mentioned was only for a buff on the recovery of the backdash though, not the distance.

@GroundedSF In that case, nerfing the CU is wrong. It would be very stupid, and I highly doubt they’ll nerf the CU if this is the case. That would be so retarded. The character needs good buffs, not minor adjustments.

I agree. I do not like the sound of losing grab invul. It should be both strike and grab invul.
Same for the backdash. What’s the point having it have less recovery without an increase in range?

That C

That Cody is not Sasaki FGS -_-
That is some ordinary Cody player playing with Sako.
I have seen Sasaki how he looks like so pls…

His point is still valid…

Y’know what would be nice? Some better specials. Playing Fei and Yun recently a bunch make me realize just how shitty Cody’s specials and mobility are.

Like what they do is good but the actual frame data and hitboxes are shit. Cody has way too many weaknesses for a character with such limited strengths.

No linkable low
Very very slow walk speed
Poor overall mobility options (all of them are unsafe and/or slow except for f.MP)
Every special is unsafe on block except for Badstone which has a 29F startup
No reversal to speak of
Anti air options have a tendency to trade a lot and other than b.MP have a slowish startup (far HP = 8F, far HK = 10F, HK Ruffian = 7F)
Air 2 Air options limited
No mixups
Can’t FADC many of his specials
Relies heavily on frame traps that lose to stand teching
Crossup isn’t that ambiguous unless in the corner.
Slow as sin jumping attacks with huge hurtboxes
The specials he CAN FADC can only be FADC’d on the first hit meaning he can’t really confirm anything.
Terrible backdash and average forward dash
overall normals are slow on startup
Ultra 2 punishable on hit
Super unreliable
Limited juggle potential on Ultra 1
No two hit normal except overhead
No airborne normal
Many attacks completely whiff on crouching opponents
Overhead is negative on HIT
Overhead has the most recovery frames in the game of any non-special move overhead

Pluses
High damage potential
Above average active frames on normals
Above average blockstun on normals
Strong whiff punish options
A 3F cr.LK
A forward moving normal that is + on block
Most hitconfirms can end in a hard knockdown.
Slightly above average normal throw range (but only average once kara throws taken into account)
Long reaching 2hit overhead

Spoiler

im pretty close to just using evil ryu as my new main and finding a char for his bad matchups. if i want to frame trap im playing cammy or sakura. ill see how the new patch goes but i just dont see a reason to play cody any more when i have more fun/success frame trapping with sakura/cammy their frame data/walk speed makes me jelly. i was about so swap out but seeing momochi say fuck cody put the nail in the coffin. im still waiting to see the patch however. i cant give up hope yet

I wonder how many people will stop using Cody now that Momochi plays Ken. He was an inspiration for many when he picked him up.

I don’t understand why people would drop Cody when there’s a patch coming up and he’s more than likely going to get better. I wouldn’t be surprised if Momochi picks him back up after the update.

I don’t know man, I’ve seen many dudes picking up Cody because of Momochi.
I’m not going to switch, that’s for sure.

Well for one thing, no one knows how expansive the patch will be for Cody and his faults may barely be touched while they could be practicing another more effective character like Ken who is currently better than Cody and likely to be buffed even more. Another reason is if they are entering tournaments regularly they want to increase their chances of winning. Yes the patch is coming, but we don’t know the release date. Given that they’ll be announcing stuff at EVO/SDCC I think that it’s likely the release date wont be until november-december at the earliest. That means 4-6months of tournaments that they COULD be playing a different character to increase their chances.

A lot of tech that Cody currently has may become invalid after the patch as well so there is that to consider.

Ultimately there are a lot of reasons to play an alt as your main until the patch drops and you decide to return to Cody or not if you are a tournament player like Sasaki/Momochi.

In retrospect, I wish we all pushed more for a forward and backward walkspeed buff. He just shouldn’t be this slow.

Unless they buff the hell out of Cody, people aren’t switching to Cody at this point. Momochi dropping him, if anything, will just make the player base smaller.

And again, while Cody is going to get stronger, so is 80% of the cast. His place in this game isn’t going to change much. Some matches will be easier, but most matches will be the same, if not harder depending on what other characters get.

@Ramma Well I think that if they give Cody some more safety via Backdash / Backwards walk speed and maybe actually give him a low hit confirm then he’ll be in a really good place for footsies.

Codys knife throw has armor break now.

I know for a FACT that was my suggestion and I was like one of the only ones who suggested it. :smiley:

Yay for knife buffs… /sarcasm