USF4 | Unlisted Changes

[Doopliss]

Probably related to height restriction and not cancel window. I wasn’t able to do it at all, I just assumed it was too low to the ground.

[ilitirit]

It’s possible, just really hard. There’s only a tiny window during which you can pull it off. They need to fix that because it’s useless right now. They just need to make it so that if you input the CS immediately then it will cancel on the first possible frame.

[HNIC_Mike]

@shinebox If you look at other characters you’ll notice that they often updated old versions of moves that aren’t being used anymore. As for frame data it could simply be that the data they or we had prior to this was off 1F for recovery.

All that is important is what the name of the script they are using in the “moves” section. That dictates what is being used for what attack.

Also if you look at the bottom of that link you provided you’ll see Dantarion says flat out “this is really inaccurate” because it’s all done automated. Take all of those numbers with healthy skepticism.

@doopliss or @street11 I need you guys to test something for me: Can poison cancel her prejump frames on her Neutral Jump into specials/super/ultra/ect? Some one mentioned “none of the new characters can special cancel prejump” on eventhubs, which I looked into and it’s untrue HOWEVER by doing so I spotted a weird oddity in Poison’s files. Her Neutral Jump cancel list isn’t listed as “Jump_in” it’s listed as “4294967295”

I can tell you rolento has this issue on his super. Haven’t noticed it on other moves but definitely no jump cancel on his super

[Shinebox]

Ryu
Specials
Hadoken does less than normal chip damage. (Was intentional. However when Capcom upped Ken’s fireball from 60 to 70 they increased the chip but not Ryu’s. Thought it might be an oversight.)

When Capcom nerfed Ryu’s cr.MK from 5 to 3 active frames they also nerfed Ken’s from 4 to 2 active frames but didn’t say anything about Ken’s at all. Ryu had his active frames changed back to Super but Ken’s was left nerfed at 2 active frames. If they honestly start balancing when they make changes for one character where do they stop? Should Ken’s cr.MK be changed back to 4/4/14 from 4/2/16 similar to how Ryu’s was changed back to 5/5/12 from 5/3/14?

It’s really not that uncommon for them to have unlisted changes. If you look at all the old change logs for Super to Arcade Edition not a single one mentioned that Ken’s sweep start up was changed to 7F and that was the biggest buff he got from Super to AE.

In this case Combofiend tried to say there are no unlisted changes which is clearly BS and unlikely given that this is a new game not just a balance update.

[Eternal]

Ryu
Specials
Hadoken does less than normal chip damage. (Was intentional. However when Capcom upped Ken’s fireball from 60 to 70 they increased the chip but not Ryu’s. Thought it might be an oversight.)

When Capcom nerfed Ryu’s cr.MK from 5 to 3 active frames they also nerfed Ken’s from 4 to 2 active frames but didn’t say anything about Ken’s at all. Ryu had his active frames changed back to Super but Ken’s was left nerfed at 2 active frames. If they honestly start balancing when they make changes for one character where do they stop? Should Ken’s cr.MK be changed back to 4/4/14 from 4/2/16 similar to how Ryu’s was changed back to 5/5/12 from 5/3/14?

It’s really not that uncommon for them to have unlisted changes. If you look at all the old change logs for Super to Arcade Edition not a single one mentioned that Ken’s sweep start up was changed to 7F and that was the biggest buff he got from Super to AE.

In this case Combofiend tried to say there are no unlisted changes which is clearly BS and unlikely given that this is a new game not just a balance update.

In all fairness the old update notes for Super and AE were AWFUL.

Here are the notes for Balrog from Super -> AE transition

Damage for Close Standing Medium Punch was decreased slightly. It now forces opponent to stand on hit, and is Special Cancelable. This move took off 80 life in SSF4.
Far Standing Light Punch will now miss crouching opponents.
Damage on Headbutt was decreased and it now has more recovery frames of animation, but recovery time is the same if it hits. Balrog’s Headbutt took off 100/120/140/150 for the Light, Medium, Hard and EX versions in SSF4.
Ultra 2 (Dirty Bull) motion changed from a 720 to two half-circle backs + 3x Punch.

No mention of FJ HP, FJ HK, crLP, crHP, Dash Upper or Dash Smash changes. Even compared to the USF4 change log unlisted changes the amount left out vs the amount listed is appalling. At least with USF4 the number of unlisted changes was almost never MORE than the number of listed changes.

[street11]

Is it an unlisted change if they increased Jyasen’s last hit dmg by 10 but didnt increase chip on it?

[Eternal]

Is it an unlisted change if they increased Jyasen’s last hit dmg by 10 but didnt increase chip on it?

Unlisted unchanged thing that should have been changed. I’ll add it to the list as well as put it on the list of things miss set data / glitches thread.

[M00nTiger]

Question: Would Ibuki’s frame advantage on hit and block be reduced by 1f because of the 1f recovery nerf? In AE2012 it was 0 on block/+4 on hit.

I had some Ibuki players testing her old loop MK tsumuji, f.lk(4f startup) and they reported that loop no longer works and if they do st.lp (3f startup), they felt the timing is 1f now when it used to be a 2f link.

[street11]

I tried that day 1 to test the loop against blanka (MK Tsumuji, f+LK xx HK Kazegiri). I’m pretty sure it’s +3 on hit now. It would be -1 on block, but I didn’t test this part.

[Kikuichimonji]

Seth’s cr.mp has reduced recovery. Similar to the Gen Super nerf, this is mentioned in the video but not in the changelog.

[DaFeetLee]

Can someone please check what the cancel frames are for Cammy’s HP Hooligan into Cannon Strike? This move is unreasonably hard to perform consistently. It may even be a bug IMO.

I tweeted about this a while ago and Alioune told me it was just-frame…

Yeah…never going to use that in an actual match lol

[street11]

As Doopliss already mentioned, it’s probably because of the height restriction. They did not make a separate, non-restricted version of Cannon Strike for Hooligan.

[YorKeY]

Hey guys, when do the trials come? Still scheduled for July right?

[ilitirit]

As Doopliss already mentioned, it’s probably because of the height restriction. They did not make a separate, non-restricted version of Cannon Strike for Hooligan.

They don’t need to make a separate version of CS. They need to make the command bufferable so that it comes out of the first available frame. Kinda like Hakan’s slide into splash.

[Alioune]

Can someone please check what the cancel frames are for Cammy’s HP Hooligan into Cannon Strike? This move is unreasonably hard to perform consistently. It may even be a bug IMO.

I tweeted about this a while ago and Alioune told me it was just-frame…

Yeah…never going to use that in an actual match lol

I use sound effect to press kick (2nd flip sound effect is when u can strike)

[Eternal]

Updated with a couple of things for Cody. I still have a ton of stuff I need people to test!

[Malvadisco]

the first moment i get ill help you with testing

probably this weekend

[HTX.08.20.02]

The Docter is out! Hondaluva is in and takin request!

Juri
crouching MK: TEST REQUEST Speed settings were altered. The frame data is the same but this may change the low profile speed and the speed she pulls her leg back. I believe the move might low profile slower now and her leg might be pulled back faster during part of the recovery frames. If someone could do a recording of USF4 Juri and AE2012 Juri doing crMK on the same frame I could compare them side by side.
close MK airborne frames end sooner. Previously airborne 1-7F now airborne 2-6F (wiki was incorrect)
MK Fuhajin hitbox expanded downward for the first 2F active *TEST REQUEST

Ultra Juri on the left, 2012 Juri on the right.

ultra_vs_2012_crmk.M2TS

Dont know how you would test the mk FB?

edit:I’m 99% sure I picked 2012 for player two in the first link but here is a second one just in case:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/hd1qopkfoifjigm/ultra_vs_2012_crmk.M2TS

edit2: lol I linked the same thing twice?

ultra_vs_2012_2.M2TS

[HNIC_Mike]

id like to help but i cant quite figure out how to test most of this stuff

[street11]

According to my tests, Zangief has 1f less recovery on his LP GH. They only said they improved on hit/block which led me to believe only hitstun/blockstun was adjusted. I might be wrong, so if someone else can test that would be great.