USF4 Ken Improvement Thread (+EVO Result)

Joon, I think you should just put Dr.C’s post as the first post. If he likes the crazy kicks suggestion, then snip that out of my post. I think his post has everything that was already in the first post, only in order of priority and more info included about it.

I think, rather than saying what Ultra we want for a second, we should kinda explain what we want, what we want it to do, and why it would help Ken. We gotta cut the bullshit on these little posts saying “Add this cuz I like it” or “Add that cuz it was there before.” That isn’t getting anyone anywhere…

A quick throw in, but I think his EX fireball, rather than being 2 hits (or maybe even keeping the 2 hits) should just be faster moving across the screen, like Guile’s EX sonic boom.

It’d also be cool if his l,m, and f fireball would vary more in speed, as in make his lp hadoken really slow moving, to improve his rushdown.

Tweaking Ken’s hadoken isn’t complimenting his gameplay at all… We’re trying to go for the main things. If you want a Guile style projectile riot shield, then just do lp Hado FADC.

Just make his walking speed faster and his dash quicker. Also give him a little bit more frame advantage on ex tatsu. Possibly linking the entire ultra after a shoryu FC.

Just changing this will improve him and keep him from turning into another char.

-Ken being +2 after Ex Hurricane Kick combo instead of 1.

-Ken’s uppercut doesn’t always lift his opponent, and leaves them on the ground. That’s got to be a glitch because it only happens to him (and rarely to Akuma), never happens to Sagat or Ryu.

-Ken’s walking speed should be same as Ryu.

-Ken’s jab SRK should be faster recovery than Ryu.

Those are the major issues imo.

just give him more ultra combos.

And if the buffs mentioned happen to ken…well it would just screw everything up.

Though most of the buffs by the randoms have been pretty ridiculous, everything on Dr. Chaos’s list is completely viable. You can’t argue with someone who has stuck with Ken since 08/08.

Giving him more means to combo into his pathetically weak shinryuken don’t exactly solve anything. Would you like to elaborate on why anything in Chaos’s list would screw everything up? Or did you just want to come in here and not contribute anything…?

just throwing my 2 cent hear what i think needs to change.

-mp/hp knock down on all hits
-st hk startup faster and FADC possible
-more lp srk invincibility
-+2 on tatsu’s with air one more juggle without using ultra
-faster walk or dash, FA more range one of these to allow him to come in closer
-crazy kicks, its part of his repertoire
-bring back pony tail.(not too important)

The latter.:yawn:

How do people like this have higher rep than me… :lame:

cuz of ken in your avatar

Good point. :smiley: But I was proud of it. I hadn’t drawn anything in a long time and thought it was fitting for the time period: “The Ken Army” arc.

Ken needs a SHIN HADOUKEN Ultra for ironic parity with Ryu’s SHIN SHORYUKEN.

Dr. B, of course, has both.

Some of the suggestions above are nice. I understand that people don’t want Ken’s fireball to be like Ryu in fear of actually becoming Ryu. I agree that Ken shouldn’t turn into a fireball/zoning character. However, his fireball does need to improved to the point where a simple low forward into fireball isn’t punishable between the two moves. I don’t know if that means the low forward needs more block stun or whether the fireball start up needs to be decreased, but that shit needs to go.

I’d like to see an entirely new special added to Ken. He needs a way to make Ryu and Sagat fear randomly throwing out fireballs. My ideal move would be one that either dashes through fireballs or rolls under them and punishes them on reaction from just inside half screen distance. The downside to the move would be that it would be extremely punishable if baited and blocked or whiffed.

Each hit of the fireball is greatly exaggerated? :stuck_out_tongue:

Yeah his hair kinda fluffs out…looks funny. They need to make it look more modern. How about giving Ken his jump off the wall horizontal Shinshoryuken in the Street Fighter V series?

Jumping off the wall doesn’t seem to do anyone any good in SFIV… However, I’ve never seen the move you’re talking about, so I guess I can’t really judge it.

I’ve only seen one or two episodes of that series.

Ken needs a new model, no more He-Man shit.

This is what I’m trying to say. Ken looks like He-Man cross bred with a hobbit. Hopefully they make some slight tweaks to the shoto models.

Ken needs his fucking forward roll.