USF4 Ken Improvement Thread (+EVO Result)

[Blaise]

All the kara-ing has messed me up with that ulta as aswell. So I have to try to train myself all 3 buttons at once, no more, no less. Feels like I’m new to the stick again sometimes, not used to doing 3k/p anymore haha. Also, when I try to do f.srk FADC or trade to airborne ex tatsu I sometimes get kara and wont combo fully ARGH

[Dodeka]

All the kara-ing has messed me up with that ulta as aswell. So I have to try to train myself all 3 buttons at once, no more, no less. Feels like I’m new to the stick again sometimes, not used to doing 3k/p anymore haha. Also, when I try to do f.srk FADC or trade to airborne ex tatsu I sometimes get kara and wont combo fully ARGH

DUDE I know right?! Playing as ken auto-scars your fingers into kara’ing everything. It’s a huge pain when it comes to those Air tatsu hits as well since I consistently get a kara’d one rather then reg. I’ve gotten to the point where i’ll pre-emptively start with my index finger alittle lower then usual so that way when I hit the next button with my middle it’ll be timed correctly. Sucks that I have to train my fingers to do that though T.T.

@Omni- Yea man I wish I could get full Ultra instead of the fake after the Tatsu T.T.

Those U2 links are tough as hell as well. I can’t get a single one to go for me.

[JoontheBaboon]

lol. This is win.

BTW, how much added distance does Kara U1 get? A reasonable amount to link into somethings usually dont link, or perhaps better? Reading through all this makes my Kara happy fingers tingle. And how the hell can I tell when I’ve kara SRK’ed? Tried it once in training mode and the inputs seemed legit, but the distance was seemed non-existent o.o.

I’d also like to make a note that HP SRK>FADC>EX. Air Tatsu> Ultra 1 is awesome. I’ve pretty much opted to using that combo when I know I have the bars to blow it on, and that the ultra will land securely (doesn’t even have to be fully in the corner either) instead of just going directly into U1 after the FADC. It’s a good 100+ extra damage from it and is crazy nice after a Tatsu mix-up. Im sure most of you guys already knew this though xP.

Yeah, it’s very subtle but if you look closely you’ll see Ken hiccup a little before he launches his F. SRK. You can put people on a block stun from around Ken’s C. MK range. It’s really good once you master it.

I agree. All the non-Ken mainers think 100+ damage is not worth it, but I think it is too.

And M. Bison not being able to chain his C. LK is a huge find! So we can say all his Throws are late techable. He does have some Frame Traps, but most of’em won’t hit you as long as you tech late.

Wouldt it have been awesome if u got the full ultra off a ex tatsu juggle? Hmm…

Joon those setups aren’t all that practical, but if u can master it…yea ur ken would be pretty beastly…those setups have to be tight tho, since the inputs are so simple. I think u2 fails because of its startup. C.mk fb fadc u2 shouldn’t be that tight from the damage u get. And ultra 1 still seems to be on the weak side even after the balancing andnerfs. Well see what the next update does.

Trying to get that consistently is crazytho man.

Yeah, but with practice anything is possible (no homo). Actually, I’ve been using those set-ups a lot lately except Air Tatsu > U2. I haven’t had the courage to do it in a Tournament though…

Those links into u2 r wurth it I practiced them in training and in game for 2 months.the only thing I dnt like about u2 is u can’t get some one off of u and ultra after but offline all the u2 links are practical.I love doing dash under s.mk u2 or empty jump c.lk s.lp u2.It suks that there one framers but once u get the timing memorized it dusnt feel like a one framer but. I do cheat when I use u2 I use kx3 cuz when I use the 3 buttons alone sometimes I get kara u2 and it won’t link

haha I used to get Kara U2 a lot too. I decided to just practice hitting all 3 Kicks at the same time though.

All the kara-ing has messed me up with that ulta as aswell. So I have to try to train myself all 3 buttons at once, no more, no less. Feels like I’m new to the stick again sometimes, not used to doing 3k/p anymore haha. Also, when I try to do f.srk FADC or trade to airborne ex tatsu I sometimes get kara and wont combo fully ARGH

DUDE I know right?! Playing as ken auto-scars your fingers into kara’ing everything. It’s a huge pain when it comes to those Air tatsu hits as well since I consistently get a kara’d one rather then reg. I’ve gotten to the point where i’ll pre-emptively start with my index finger alittle lower then usual so that way when I hit the next button with my middle it’ll be timed correctly. Sucks that I have to train my fingers to do that though T.T.

@Omni- Yea man I wish I could get full Ultra instead of the fake after the Tatsu T.T.

Those U2 links are tough as hell as well. I can’t get a single one to go for me.

I hate that- but I love how F. SRK > Kara EX Tatsu carries the opponent and Ken almost the whole map lol. I tried practicing it, but it’s ridiculously hard to make Kara EX Tatsu hit all 3-4 times.

[Dodeka]

Yeah, it’s very subtle but if you look closely you’ll see Ken hiccup a little before he launches his F. SRK. You can put people on a block stun from around Ken’s C. MK range. It’s really good once you master it.

I agree. All the non-Ken mainers think 100+ damage is not worth it, but I think it is too.

And M. Bison not being able to chain his C. LK is a huge find! So we can say all his Throws are late techable. He does have some Frame Traps, but most of’em won’t hit you as long as you tech late.

Yeah, but with practice anything is possible (no homo). Actually, I’ve been using those set-ups a lot lately except Air Tatsu > U2. I haven’t had the courage to do it in a Tournament though…

haha I used to get Kara U2 a lot too. I decided to just practice hitting all 3 Kicks at the same time though.

I hate that- but I love how F. SRK > Kara EX Tatsu carries the opponent and Ken almost the whole map lol. I tried practicing it, but it’s ridiculously hard to make Kara EX Tatsu hit all 3-4 times.

I think counter hit allows all the Tatsu hits in. If I coulde combo into ultra after a Kara’d EX tatsu that would be even more amazing. I wonder if any possible setups can follow after that? like maybe an immediate cross-up j.MK, or LK/MK Tatsu perhaps? Actually, if I usually do the FADC into Air tatsu, and it’s not some what in the landing range to add the ultra in, I’ll follow up with a Kara Fireball and LK tatsu behind it. I think I remember stopping a Gief before. He quick-rised after the air Tatsu, and attempted to EX Green-hand through the fireball and was knocked out of his green hand by the tatsu. Was so priceless >:D.

Oh, Joon, I see what you mean now about the Kara SRK. Holy jesus did I practically Ish a golden egg when I realized the practically of it all. Had to do it several times though to actually find the distance though which for a second didn’t look different at first until I connected cr.lk>cr.lpx2>Kara SRK.

Quick note of randomness: After the Fierce SRK FADC, a neutral jump Kara EX. Tatsu will connect with only one hit, but afterwards the distance traveled places you right in perfect kara-throw range (or somewhat). It’s actually more of a perfect spacing for cr.MK, but either way, it’s funny as hell and makes great mindgames as to why I would reset a situation in such a way xP.

[Slimztheguy]

What up fellow Ken Bros.

U guys do kno about his neutral jump kara tatsu [not EX] crossup right.?? Kinda hard to do at first ,and reversal DPs will whiff its worth using too because u can combo after it hits.

@Joon i’ll have a PS3 soon, it should be fun playing u bro

[Dodeka]

Damn that’s scary O.o. Right after I posted about neutral jump EX. Kara Tatsu you posted about neutral jump Kara Tatsu cross-up. Either you in my head slim, or these forums are playing mindgames with me.

And as you posted this as well I was in the training room and had just found that out too. Although I didn’t try combo’ing afterwards so its worthwhile to know it has a usage! Good shit yo!

[Slimztheguy]

@Dodeka Lol yeah that is kinda weird haha but, the neutral jump K.tatsu is something i’ve known for about a week now but thought u guys knew about it. send me an invite on XBL i’ll play some matches wit ya.

[lilsicx66]

That nutral jump kara tatsu was discoverd by emillo in japan the 1st grandmaster ken In vanila he’s also discoverd kens crossup fierce punch.

[JoontheBaboon]

I think counter hit allows all the Tatsu hits in. If I coulde combo into ultra after a Kara’d EX tatsu that would be even more amazing. I wonder if any possible setups can follow after that? like maybe an immediate cross-up j.MK, or LK/MK Tatsu perhaps? Actually, if I usually do the FADC into Air tatsu, and it’s not some what in the landing range to add the ultra in, I’ll follow up with a Kara Fireball and LK tatsu behind it. I think I remember stopping a Gief before. He quick-rised after the air Tatsu, and attempted to EX Green-hand through the fireball and was knocked out of his green hand by the tatsu. Was so priceless >:D.

Oh, Joon, I see what you mean now about the Kara SRK. Holy jesus did I practically Ish a golden egg when I realized the practically of it all. Had to do it several times though to actually find the distance though which for a second didn’t look different at first until I connected cr.lk>cr.lpx2>Kara SRK.

Quick note of randomness: After the Fierce SRK FADC, a neutral jump Kara EX. Tatsu will connect with only one hit, but afterwards the distance traveled places you right in perfect kara-throw range (or somewhat). It’s actually more of a perfect spacing for cr.MK, but either way, it’s funny as hell and makes great mindgames as to why I would reset a situation in such a way xP.

Yeah, but I was talking about without Counter Hit. I personally like to Sweep after a CH F. SRK > FADC for an Untechable Knock Down. My only set-up after F. SRK > FADC > Air EX Tatsu in mid-screen is Kara Focus > Forward Dash > Kara Focus > Forward Dash. It gets you right next to the opponent’s corpse and you can still meaty them even if they Quick Recover.

Yup~ Kara F. SRK is really useful to Ken’s rush down mix-ups.

I’m not too sure about Neutral Jump Kara EX Tatsu because Ken comes down too slow. Your opponent can easily react to it.

What up fellow Ken Bros.

U guys do kno about his neutral jump kara tatsu [not EX] crossup right.?? Kinda hard to do at first ,and reversal DPs will whiff its worth using too because u can combo after it hits.

@Joon i’ll have a PS3 soon, it should be fun playing u bro

Nice! If not, I’m going to get XBOX360 SSF4 soon anyway so I’ll play you there. Hopefully we won’t lag.

Damn that’s scary O.o. Right after I posted about neutral jump EX. Kara Tatsu you posted about neutral jump Kara Tatsu cross-up. Either you in my head slim, or these forums are playing mindgames with me.

And as you posted this as well I was in the training room and had just found that out too. Although I didn’t try combo’ing afterwards so its worthwhile to know it has a usage! Good shit yo!

@Dodeka Lol yeah that is kinda weird haha but, the neutral jump K.tatsu is something i’ve known for about a week now but thought u guys knew about it. send me an invite on XBL i’ll play some matches wit ya.

That nutral jump kara tatsu was discoverd by emillo in japan the 1st grandmaster ken In vanila he’s also discoverd kens crossup fierce punch.

Yup. It’s really useful under pressure:

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Why do you guys call it Kara Tatsu though? It’s just Neutral Jump HK Tatsu.

[lilsicx66]

When I do it I. Do hk then. Mk that real fast like a duble tap that’s how I was taught.when I do hk I land in the front when I do the other way I land in the back.but now that I knw u dnt have to kara it ill jus use one butn lol.I like to do kara ex on ppl that likee to grab or c,tech on wakeup messes with there timing and I sneak stuff in cuz it looks weird on the screen.jus a gimik lol

[JoontheBaboon]

When I do it I. Do hk then. Mk that real fast like a duble tap that’s how I was taught.when I do hk I land in the front when I do the other way I land in the back.but now that I knw u dnt have to kara it ill jus use one butn lol.I like to do kara ex on ppl that likee to grab or c,tech on wakeup messes with there timing and I sneak stuff in cuz it looks weird on the screen.jus a gimik lol

I do Kara EX Tatsu with MK~LK or HK~LK, but you can’t Kara a regular Air Tatsu. It’s just the timing of when you do the HK Tatsu in the Neutral Jump that makes it hit in the front or the back. I just wanted to clarify so people who read this don’t get confused.

[Paper]

ken is such an awful character he just a watered down version of ryu and he dont even throw out fireballs better then sagat chun li seth ryu akuma or guile the only reason people play ken is cuz they are dumb and wanna play a dumb char too ken is the spinning image of garbage he lives in ryus shadow and will never live up to him it was bad enough that there was one stupid red shirt wearing american “fighter” but now he has a kid on the way? ken attracts only bad players and the only reason anyone would ever possibly play ken is cuz they are dumb and cant play a real character like el fuerte or ryu those are the only real characters

[JoontheBaboon]

ken is such an awful character he just a watered down version of ryu and he dont even throw out fireballs better then sagat chun li seth ryu akuma or guile the only reason people play ken is cuz they are dumb and wanna play a dumb char too ken is the spinning image of garbage he lives in ryus shadow and will never live up to him it was bad enough that there was one stupid red shirt wearing american “fighter” but now he has a kid on the way? ken attracts only bad players and the only reason anyone would ever possibly play ken is cuz they are dumb and cant play a real character like el fuerte or ryu those are the only real characters

Fuck El Fuerte. The only reason why people use him is because they’re bored.

Yes, I’m looking at YOU Paper. And this random comment you left for no apparent reason.

[Dodeka]

@Dodeka Lol yeah that is kinda weird haha but, the neutral jump K.tatsu is something i’ve known for about a week now but thought u guys knew about it. send me an invite on XBL i’ll play some matches wit ya.

Will do bro. Im always willing to level up. Gonna add you after this post.

@Joon- Ah I see what your saying about it the nj tatsu. So does ken’s tatsu naturally propel him forward after the tatsu when airborne? Because im not sure if it was just a missed time kara attempt or soemthing, but it gave ken that add traveling distance as if though it was kara’d for some reason o.0. I’ll have to learn the cross-up neutral jump tatsu though since I’ve only gotten it to go for me about once or twice.

[lilsicx66]

Lol random ass post.but the only thing keen has over other shotos is a better dp,throw and mixup.no need to troll us ken players tho.

[Blaise]

I do Kara EX Tatsu with MK~LK or HK~LK, but you can’t Kara a regular Air Tatsu. It’s just the timing of when you do the HK Tatsu in the Neutral Jump that makes it hit in the front or the back. I just wanted to clarify so people who read this don’t get confused.

I disagree. This may just be confirmation bias or something, but when I do regular tatsu to try to cross up from a neutral jump, it’s much harder to 1. cross-over, and 2. actually hit. When I do (or think I do kara tatsu at least, since you say it doesn’t exist), it’s much easier. Why would Kara EX exist but not regular? Both would have to exist or neither would exist. Please explain.

[JoontheBaboon]

Will do bro. Im always willing to level up. Gonna add you after this post.

@Joon- Ah I see what your saying about it the nj tatsu. So does ken’s tatsu naturally propel him forward after the tatsu when airborne? Because im not sure if it was just a missed time kara attempt or soemthing, but it gave ken that add traveling distance as if though it was kara’d for some reason o.0. I’ll have to learn the cross-up neutral jump tatsu though since I’ve only gotten it to go for me about once or twice.

Yep, it does. It just depends when you input the Tatsu at what peak of the jump.

Lol random ass post.but the only thing keen has over other shotos is a better dp,throw and mixup.no need to troll us ken players tho.

haha don’t worry about him lilsicx66. He’s a friend of mine. It’s hard to tell sarcasm online.

I disagree. This may just be confirmation bias or something, but when I do regular tatsu to try to cross up from a neutral jump, it’s much harder to 1. cross-over, and 2. actually hit. When I do (or think I do kara tatsu at least, since you say it doesn’t exist), it’s much easier. Why would Kara EX exist but not regular? Both would have to exist or neither would exist. Please explain.

Well, think about it. For Karas to work you need 2 moves; 1 move to cancel the other:

Kara Focus: Focus cancels Step Kick.
Kara Throw: Throw cancels Step Kick.
Kara Hadoken: Hadoken cancels Step Kick.
Kara Shoryuken: Shoryuken cancels Step Kick.
Kara EX Tatsu: 1 kick cancels another kick.

So how can you Kara a HK Tatsu? I want to clarify this so people don’t put in unnecessary work.

[Blaise]

I think you’re right… hmmmm

[Slimztheguy]

@Joon heck yeah bro add me as soon as u get online on XBL of course. =] see u on man.

and to everyone else i might not be online as much as i used to be because i’m currently preparing for a couple tourneys, and im also working at Gamestop now… i’ll still be on just not all day Lol

[JoontheBaboon]

@Joon heck yeah bro add me as soon as u get online on XBL of course. =] see u on man.

and to everyone else i might not be online as much as i used to be because i’m currently preparing for a couple tourneys, and im also working at Gamestop now… i’ll still be on just not all day Lol

For sure. Nice. Where are you located by the way?