Uses for these Moves

Meteo2 · 2011-10-01T19:28:48.000Z

Who here has ever intentionally used MK.ST for any reason, ever?

vagabond_zero · 2011-10-01T20:31:06.000Z

I use it to combo after a cmk…(Negative edge)…for a metterless knockdown to punish unsafe blocked specials…also I think it’s somewhat safe when the
tip of it gets blocked…

Meteo2 · 2011-10-01T20:35:16.000Z

vagabond_zero:

also I think it’s somewhat safe when the
tip of it gets blocked…

Interesting, I’ll try and find the slowest move than can punish it and compare it to the other ST’s : )

Rizhall · 2011-10-01T20:35:40.000Z

Meteo2:

Who here has ever intentionally used MK.ST for any reason, ever?

I use MK ST all the time when I-

Meteo2:

… intentionally…

Oh… Carry on then.

vagabond_zero · 2011-10-02T00:10:26.000Z

I just test it and mk st seems to be punished by just about anything in the game on block even at its max range…so…I take back what I said and sorry about that…it does have a pretty good vertical range so it may be useful against crossover attemps if done early enought…its justan idea…

Meteo2 · 2011-10-02T00:20:30.000Z

One thing I tried to do with it was see if, after an IzunaDrop, if a MK.ST puts you at a perfect range to do an instant crossup on any character. Basically I discovered that its better to be closer to the knocked down character when attempting a meaty instant crossup, so once again HK.ST does a better job haha.

Rizhall · 2011-10-02T00:34:47.000Z

That’s pretty godlike. I don’t think Capcom knew what to do with ST or SHC when they designed the moves into SFIV, to be honest lol

Gross_Indecency · 2011-10-02T17:02:57.000Z

star:

I think you mixed nj HP and nj MP. For the fierce version that was Rabbi said, as for the strong version I never found any good use. The hitbox is so freakish high and Vega himself already jumps so fast so high that in a widescreen format you only see half of the move.

Neutral jump mp does hit Guy’s elbow drop and Honda’s sumo splash without trade. But you must time correctly. For both there is a moment they stop in the air before both start to fall with their moves, you have to hit with it then. It is the only move that can punish Sumo splash’s hard version as it goes even higher than Vega’s jump.

Forward jump lk, surprisingly reaches further than his jumping mp and mk. So if you are both falling from the air parallel to each other, you can hit with this where the mp won’t work.

Neutral jump lk, on the other hand is good at stopping air throws as it is active for 9 frames, the longest in the air.

There are only 2 uses for cls.mk. One is for the jump-in hp/hk- cls.mk to l.roll which I find very hard to do altough I can do cls.hp to and roll contantly. The second one is when you are in the corner without an ex-bar, cls.mk to l.roll as it starts faster than cls.hp and does more damage than cr.lp and you have the possibilty to miss the one roll hit from cr.mp to l.roll and so your slash part of the roll will be punished or blocked. But yeah this is mostly a useless move.

star · 2011-10-17T12:13:58.000Z

Gross_Indecency:

Neutral jump mp does hit Guy’s elbow drop and Honda’s sumo splash without trade. But you must time correctly. For both there is a moment they stop in the air before both start to fall with their moves, you have to hit with it then. It is the only move that can punish Sumo splash’s hard version as it goes even higher than Vega’s jump.

Very interesting! Will try it out!

Golfguden · 2011-10-17T14:03:48.000Z

cl.mp is the best ghetto tick throw setup ever.

Drakonvlast · 2011-10-17T15:57:23.000Z

Golfguden:

cl.mp is the best ghetto tick throw setup ever.

sometimes i get st.mp xx EX FBA if i mess up cr.mp. I always find it weird that you can cancel a standing move into a down-up charge move

Golfguden · 2011-10-17T16:19:01.000Z

Drakonvlast:

sometimes i get st.mp xx EX FBA if i mess up cr.mp. I always find it weird that you can cancel a standing move into a down-up charge move

I think it makes perfect sense. You go from down, to neutral, to up and cancel it. You still make the motion required.

Drakonvlast · 2011-10-17T16:21:24.000Z

i know that, it just seems odd in my head for it to do so

Meteo2 · 2011-10-17T16:32:15.000Z

cr.MK into HK.ST won’t combo on a good number of crouching characters, but st.cl.MK into HK.ST will combo.

Vegaman · 2011-10-17T20:58:56.000Z

Golfguden:

I think it makes perfect sense. You go from down, to neutral, to up and cancel it. You still make the motion required.

it’s the same reason you can charge then take a step forward and ST someone (i call it kara ST for the hell of it)

you dont lose charge immediately if you hold forward

BshidoHEAT · 2011-10-29T07:43:56.000Z

Another use for NJ.MP - I was playing my friends Sakura earlier and whenever he tried to Copter rushdown me nj.MP scraped it out of the skies. I want to try this on Vipers but I don’t play any

RHayabusa · 2011-12-26T19:53:03.000Z

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Actually what is the use of 3x lp, cr.mp into EX FBA (30 secs in) - compared to cr.mk, cr.mp into EX FBA (1 min in) when it does less damage and is a ridiculous 1 frame link? Does it punish something cr.mk can’t?

Meteo2 · 2011-12-26T20:33:06.000Z

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Actually what is the use of 3x lp, cr.mp into EX FBA (30 secs in) - compared to cr.mk, cr.mp into EX FBA (1 min in) when it does less damage and is a ridiculous 1 frame link? Does it punish something cr.mk can’t?

It’s actually quite important! its not 3x LP and MP, its 2x LP + MP

Here are some reasons why you may want to use cr.LP cr.LP cr.MP x EX.FBA instead of cr.MK cr,MP x EX.FBA

cr.LP (4 frame startup) starts up 2 frames faster than cr.MK (6 frame startup), so cr.LP can be used as a true frame trap vs any character whenever you are at a +2 advantage, or you can use it just generally to get a faster hit.
The three hits give you more time to charge for the EX.FBA. You can walk up, immediately start the jab hit-confirm, and cancel into EX.FBA. With cr.MK cr.MP, you need a split second more time so youd need to be crouching already before attacking or dashing in at least, otherwise you would need to insert a cr.LP after the cr.MK if you needed the extra charge time.
cr.LP recovers faster and leaves you closer to your opponent. This makes it a faster option for tick-throws if blocked, even if blocked twice, especially great against characters without 3-frame jabs because then cr.LP itself is a frame trap vs them. With its quick recovery, cr.LP is more useful as an option selecting tool for cr.HK or df.HK when the cr.LP unexpectedly wiffs on your opponent’s wakeup due to a backdash.

If you know you are probably going to land a hit and you know you will have enough charge, cr.MK is the better tool, but in many situations this knowledge is not the case. Being able to threaten combos off of Vega’s quicker jabs, especially after just walking straight up to your opponent, is extremely valuable. : )

Gross_Indecency · 2011-12-27T00:04:52.000Z

Actually what is the use of 3x lp, cr.mp into EX FBA (30 secs in) - compared to cr.mk, cr.mp into EX FBA (1 min in) when it does less damage and is a ridiculous 1 frame link? Does it punish something cr.mk can’t?

It is more beautiful 4xlp-cr.mp- ex.fba is even more beautiful. The beauty at its peak.

vagabond_zero · 2011-12-27T22:06:37.000Z

Guys…i’ve been toying around with crouching HP and fst HP…i know Fst HP is something like -9 on block…and cHP is like -6 on Hit…but asuming you do it at around max range i don’t know if there is much most characters can do even with that much dis advantage…i’ve blocked ultras after fst Hp…i like to back dash and then fstHp when i see and attemp at jump in on me from ranges where fst hk would either miss or trade…cHP comes handy in punishing or stuffing certain specials…and during footsie battles to mix things up with cmk from max range…my local scene is almoust none existing and the level is low so i would’nt know if you could do these things againts decent players and not get punished very hard