Quick question on Zero in general. Besides his low health and high ex. What do you feel is a flaw of his? I stay labbing with but I can’t find a thing he can’t do.
There’s 2 differences between them. The first one is the j.:d:+:h: has better hitstun on the last hit so it is easier to followup in extended combos; in most combos where doing sj.MMHS drops on the H, sj.:d:+:h:,:s: instead would work.
The other difference is slight and has to do with where the hitbox starts (despite being a big circle around him, the hitbox does not constantly cover all angles. j.:h: starts directly in front of him and has about a 70-80 degree arc that spins clockwise. j.:d:+:h: starts directly below him with the same arc width and spins counter-clockwise. Basically if they are above you at all you want to use j.:h: and if they are behind you (but not above you) then use j.:d:+:h:. Honestly though plenty of Zeros get by without even knowing they are different moves; the time it takes for the move to spin all the way around is only a few frames but it could be the difference between getting grabbed out of it or not.
His biggest flaws are:
-No invincible movement options, but this is shared by a lot of the cast anyway
-No invincible attacks without 3 meters
-His game heavily revolves around level 3 buster which is not always available.
-Ground throw is useless unless in the corner. Seriously getting thrown on the ground by Zero is to your advantage because it’s impossible for him to followup and he loses his buster charge.
Those combined mean that if your opponent catches a mistake while you don’t have buster ready you are probably dead (unlike say Spencer who can Bionic Arm then XF/DHC). He has some flaws, but they aren’t really big flaws at all; there’s a reason he’s #1.
Bill
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What are the most useful benefits of log trap for Zero and what is his best overhead/high?
TimTim
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So from my understanding LL’s need to be done at a consistent height every time or else the enemy falls out.
How do you guys do it?
I know flocker does an elevated LL then a TK one.
Limit_1
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I do buster-> L raikousen -> Neutral jump L Raikousen then TK L Raikousen, buster repeat.
Someone mentioned before that that’s the most consistent way to do them, although I’m not sure if that’s true
I do it the way Limit does. I’ve noticed the rule seems to be go lower than the last one, not higher, but there’s only so low you can have the opponent before they’ll start falling out.
Buster, then normal jump, then TK has been very consistent.
I just do all neutral jumps, because Hitbox makes those free and it’s optimal.
When I use pad, I do all TK, because neutral jump LLs are dumbhard on pad.
Limit_1
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Neutral jump LLs arent hard on pad. I use pad. All it requires is practice and patience, like everything else in this game.
So the Tier thread topic is 300% unblockable loops and people are talking about Zero having one like it is common knowledge. Can anyone drop some knowledge on me? I’m aware of EvilToaster’s Strange team video that features setups but those are team specific.
My writeup is linked here.2015 UMVC3 SRK Tier/Theory Discussion. 7/10 First Page Tumblr: Power of snapback, Future power teams
Can anyone expand? What is the accepted unblockable setup on incoming?
How do you guys play the Magnus matchup, particularly at the start of the round? I only played the matchup for the first time today (being a Zero noob) and I felt like Zero didn’t have a lot of options post throw-tech since it removes buster charge. I lost the point-point battle more than half the time. Thoughts?
I wavedash away and force him to approach. Keep a Buster charge for countering ground Disruptors. If he has Missiles, counter-call with Bolts.
Zero wins on the ground unless he has a strong horizontal assist like Plasma Beam, but I think with Bolts he probably still wins. Mags has to approach from the air, so if you’re solid with space control and confirms, you should be able to handle that. Play patient, don’t do dumb things that will get you smacked by a shockwave, and play very defensive when charging Buster.
Also, use s.H a lot, it’s good for shutting his nonsense down if he does get in.
But yeah, from the start, I would recommend just plink/wave dashing away…You can also start with a Ryuenjin if he’s in your face, don’t know how well that works with your assists. But either way, just make space and force his approach. If you have a pocket Dante I’d recommend replacing Ammy with him.
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MGS
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Does anyone have any setups on incoming with zero/dorm. Any help is appreciated
Limit_1
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The most I can think of is stalking flare xx twin dream unblockable stuff if you’re running jam session maybe? I’m not too experienced with having dorm second. You can always try some gimmicky H Hienkyaku setup that can probably get you grabbed lol
I have a question. I play against damus pretty often since i’m stuck upstate, and I was actually wondering if anyone has any random tidbits of information for the dormammu matchup? (He usually uses trish dorm sentinel on me as opposed to hulk).
I also play against deanthrax as well and i used to have a shitty time against mag/beam but then he switched to missiles for whatever reason. Does anyone have any random info for that as well? Im starting to figure a lot of things out, which is good, but maybe i am missing something
I use Zero with PB & Jam if you want to know my team build. In terms of my team really Zero is my newest character so i can really only do like double-layered mixups lol
anyone have a sequence to unblock a cornered opponent where you are in sogenmu already and they block stand H? i am using jam session so i can call it anytime in the sequence. but since im already in sogenmue i cant use it to negate the first set of pushblocks.
How do you cancel his tac’s without using x-factor?
air combo > Buster > TAC > air dash cancel > TAC
What do you mean by “air dash cancel?”
Do an air dash…to cancel the TAC.
Ok. I’ll try to work on that
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@sjohnst2 I need your help really quickly. for some backstory, I was practicing for an upoming tournament with a few guys and I was getting consistent midscreen/corner TAC kills with Zero/Doom, so I was trying what shoultz had mentioned but I just couldn’t remember. I remember that you and shoultz were talking about that Zero/Doom “unblockable” setup on incoming that involved a DHC from air Photon Array to Twin Dream, but I have absolutely no idea what I’m supposed to do, so I usually just botch the unblockable setup.
Basically I’m just asking you to kind of walk me through how I’m supposed to handle that? I know there are multiple factors, but usually I do your setup when I’m in Sougenmu (meaty DH, shippuga call jam session unless I have that wrong as well ;-;). Am I supposed to do it the same way?
