Unpopular gaming opinions SECOND IMPACT

Gasaraki · 2016-12-15T10:00:21.000Z

NeverYouMind:

I understand. You cannot comprehend anything game related that is not in terms of Street Fighter… It is your whole gaming world.

What the hell are you on lol

NeverYouMind · 2016-12-15T10:04:47.000Z

Nothing. Unlike some preachers of the faith.

ParryAll · 2016-12-15T10:26:14.000Z

NeverYouMind:

I understand. You cannot comprehend anything game related that is not in terms of Street Fighter… Your whole gaming world is defined by it.

SF2 was as big as Call of Dookie, Halo, or Super Mario, bigger than Doom, Zelda, and a bunch of other stuff people put on a pedastool so…

This entire board is called SHORYUKEN, it exists by and for Street Fighter so, really what do you expect.

NeverYouMind · 2016-12-15T10:56:45.000Z

The way you choose to interpret things is most peculiar given the wealth of knowledge you have at your fingertips…

en.wikipedia.org

List of best-selling video game franchises

This is a list of best-selling video game franchises that have sold or shipped at least five million copies. Unless otherwise stated, numbers indicate worldwide units sold, ordered alphabetically whenever two or more list the same amount. The exception are the ones specifying shipments, which have lower precedence than others listing sales. Franchise sales include expansion packs even though they are not considered full video games. Free-to-play game downloads (including free mobile games) and mi...

en.wikipedia.org

List of best-selling video games

This is a list of the best-selling video games of all time. The best-selling video game to date is Tetris, a tile-matching puzzle video game originally released for the Electronika 60 in 1984 and then popularised upon its Game Boy release in 1989. The game has been ported to a wide range of platforms and sold in excess of 170 million units, including 100 million paid downloads on mobile phones and 35 million as sales for the Game Boy version. Minecraft is the only other video game to Of the top ...

I will give you that Street Fighter II moved the most arcade cabinets and Super Nintendo cartridges of any fighting game, but beyond that you are pulling at straws.

atirador · 2016-12-15T16:42:29.000Z

@NeverYouMind doesn’t look like he was around when SFII hit the arcades (and consoles) and has no idea on the impact that game did to the gaming world while, at the same time, creating an entire new genre, he only likes to do “research” on wikipedia articles and thinks that makes him some kind of historian of videogames

Like many others here, I was there in the arcades in 1991 to see videogame history happening, I don’t care about what list of gimmicks each game introduced, it means jackshit

But that is “revisionism” for him… what a joke

atirador · 2016-12-15T16:45:13.000Z

jae_hoon:

Hyper Fighting > ST

Even after all this years I spent more time and had more fun playing any other SFII title, including SSFII, than ST

Fuck juggles, supers and throw tech in that game

Ki_Shima · 2016-12-15T19:55:07.000Z

NeverYouMind:

Practically everything featured in those titles existed prior to Street Fighter II, so at best you can argue that it sped up the process. Mortal Kombat was as stated in multiple interviews intended to be an MTV version of Street Fighter II. So, it is not unreasonable that Street Fighter II had some impact on its development (i.e. doing the opposite of Street Fighter II in many respects). However, the final product was arguably more a result of American television programming at the time and a desire to push social boundaries. Also, the same cannot be said for every other game you credit it with setting in motion outside the Capcom umbrella.
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2016/12/01/ed-boon-interview-2016.aspx

3D games came completely independent of Street Fighter and had to lay their own groundwork, so to say that they would not exist without Street Fighter II is absurd. Especially if you consider how marketable the polygon graphics in videogames were after Yu Suzuki’s Virtua Racing debuted in 1992 (featuring innovations introduced by 1988’s Winning Run by Namco and 1989’s Hard Driving by Atari), followed by 1993’s Virtua Fighter. Every genre at the time tried to move to 3D including your beloved Street Fighter.
http://i.imgur.com/v8r13ky.jpg

Fighting games as a whole would have undoubtedly developed even without Street Fighter II’s existence. Perhaps, they would have developed more slowly due to a lack of a marketing push (assuming another game did not achieve the same success) and many brand names associated with fighting games would be different, but they would still release and move the genre forward. They would undoubtably be synonymous with those that came into existence after Street Fighter II.

fighting games would have developed but not the way they have been now. it might have eventually become something in 3D like a mix between Bushido Blade mechanics and Fighters Destiny’s point system. 99% of the fighting games out there today are some type of variation of street fighter 2, even virtual fighter

NeverYouMind · 2016-12-15T20:06:30.000Z

I was around actually. I was just in the middle of the collapse of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics at the time, so arcades in the West and Japan meant fuck all to me. Super Nintendo is a rare commodity in Russia even to this day. The number one fighting game in Russia is and has always been Mortal Kombat.

Ki_Shima · 2016-12-15T20:17:47.000Z

NeverYouMind:

I was around actually. I was just in the middle of the collapse of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics at the time, so arcades in the West and Japan meant fuck all to me. Super Nintendo is a rare commodity in Russia even to this day. The number one fighting game in Russia is and has always been Mortal Kombat.

considering you were around a time of war it’s no surprise that photographic rendered real people with magical and physical powers were important to you and your community. doesn’t change the fact that you are wrong though, and you should be more serious about the fact you are wrong so that you’re not wrong anymore

NeverYouMind · 2016-12-15T20:33:35.000Z

Not war, collapse of government heirarchy and public services. Provide documented evidence of my misconceptions from reliable sources and I will admit I am wrong. Until then there is nothing except the word of 3 people supporting your narrative.

Dendy (NES clone) did not come to Russia until late 1992 and it was relatively stable by then (outside of government). Russian propaganda and folk tales had existed for generations. Games were just a new consumer good. The content had no meaning except entertainment. I don’t think anyone in Russia knew of Mortal Kombat until the movie was dubbed and aired in 1996.

Ki_Shima · 2016-12-15T20:47:49.000Z

NeverYouMind:

Not war, collapse of government heirarchy and public services. Provide documented evidence of my misconceptions from reliable sources and I will admit I am wrong. Until then there is nothing except the word of 3 people supporting your narrative.

Kinniku_Buster · 2016-12-15T21:21:55.000Z

You guys are still taking his bait? Geez

ParryAll · 2016-12-16T00:24:22.000Z

NeverYouMind:

The way you choose to interpret things is most peculiar given the wealth of knowledge you have at your fingertips…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_game_franchises
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games

I will give you that Street Fighter II moved the most arcade cabinets and Super Nintendo cartridges of any fighting game, but beyond that you are pulling at straws.

The SNES version of SF2 World Warrior sold like 4 million, Turbo sold 6 just on the SNES, Genesis version 3 Million (it was released next to MK1 that’s why it didn’t sell as well, plus Genesis wasn’t popular in Japan). PCE version also probably sold a million. So that’s 14 million combined on just the original SF2, not counting Super, not counting the fact it’s the biggest arcade game of all time, lord only knows how many kits and machines it sold but it is recognized as the biggest arcade game of all time. Bigger than Pac-Man, bigger than Daytona USA, bigger than Mortal Kombat, bigger than anything.

No other 16-bit game approaches that. Not Mortal Kombat, not Sonic not Donkey Kong Country, nothing. SF2 to this day is Capcoms best selling game of all time.

SF2 is also one of the biggest licensed properties of the 90s. Cartoons, anime series, anime movie, live action movie, GI Joe figures and a ton of other junk. FFS I once got a SF2 Where’s Waldo book as a joke gift in like 1996 lol.

Darksakul · 2016-12-16T02:54:15.000Z

The Last Guardian is the first failure Team Ico ever had.
And thats coming from a Team Ico Fan.

Ico and Shadow of the Colossus are master pieces.

The Last Guardian is a joke.

DoctaMario · 2016-12-16T04:44:33.000Z

Speaking of Fatal Fury, I don’t think a lot of SNK’s games have aged particularly well outside of some of the Samurai Shodown games. I’ve gone back and played some of the ones I really dug back in the day in the last year or so and they don’t particularly all look or feel great. Art Of Fighting 1 was one of my favorites, and while I still think it’s cool, it definitely is one of the victims of age.

I think Samurai Shodown is the best thing SNK has ever done though. SS5sp is an amazing game. KoF is great, but not as great as SamSho.

PresidentCamacho · 2016-12-16T11:04:02.000Z

Can’t forget about the last blade (both of them) and garou. Kof 98 and 02 unlimited will always be classics too.

Femto_1 · 2016-12-16T11:08:48.000Z

DoctaMario:

Speaking of Fatal Fury, I don’t think a lot of SNK’s games have aged particularly well outside of some of the Samurai Shodown games. I’ve gone back and played some of the ones I really dug back in the day in the last year or so and they don’t particularly all look or feel great. Art Of Fighting 1 was one of my favorites, and while I still think it’s cool, it definitely is one of the victims of age.

I think Samurai Shodown is the best thing SNK has ever done though. SS5sp is an amazing game. KoF is great, but not as great as SamSho.

I remember several years back playing some SNK at bi-weekly event that one of our mods used to throw at his place. I went to another room where ST was being played and just seeing it in motion, SF was just smoother in motion like I’ve never seen before. It was because of that contrast. SNK’s fighters has the better style but the production values are definitely in Capcom’s favor.

Cronopio · 2016-12-16T21:09:17.000Z

Fatal Fury games aged perfectly well. Real Bout 1 and 2 and FFS are still great games this day.

atirador · 2016-12-16T21:42:34.000Z

Femto:

DoctaMario:

Speaking of Fatal Fury, I don’t think a lot of SNK’s games have aged particularly well outside of some of the Samurai Shodown games. I’ve gone back and played some of the ones I really dug back in the day in the last year or so and they don’t particularly all look or feel great. Art Of Fighting 1 was one of my favorites, and while I still think it’s cool, it definitely is one of the victims of age.

I think Samurai Shodown is the best thing SNK has ever done though. SS5sp is an amazing game. KoF is great, but not as great as SamSho.

I remember several years back playing some SNK at bi-weekly event that one of our mods used to throw at his place. I went to another room where ST was being played and just seeing it in motion, SF was just smoother in motion like I’ve never seen before. It was because of that contrast. SNK’s fighters has the better style but the production values are definitely in Capcom’s favor.

The first SNK game that really got my attention back then was KOF’95, it was the first game that looked and played as good as a Street Fighter game but with a lot of different stuff that kept me interested.

It’s still one of my favorite FG of all time

NeverYouMind · 2016-12-17T13:29:15.000Z

ParryAll Fact Check: [details=Spoiler]

ParryAll:

The SNES version of SF2 World Warrior sold like 4 million, Turbo sold 6 just on the SNES, Genesis version 3 Million (it was released next to MK1 that’s why it didn’t sell as well, plus Genesis wasn’t popular in Japan). PCE version also probably sold a million. So that’s 14 million combined on just the original SF2, not counting Super, not counting the fact it’s the biggest arcade game of all time, lord only knows how many kits and machines it sold but it is recognized as the biggest arcade game of all time. Bigger than Pac-Man, bigger than Daytona USA, bigger than Mortal Kombat, bigger than anything.

No other 16-bit game approaches that. Not Mortal Kombat, not Sonic not Donkey Kong Country, nothing. SF2 to this day is Capcoms best selling game of all time.

SF2 is also one of the biggest licensed properties of the 90s. Cartoons, anime series, anime movie, live action movie, GI Joe figures and a ton of other junk. FFS I once got a SF2 Where’s Waldo book as a joke gift in like 1996 lol.

Street Fighter II on Super Nintendo sold 6.3m and out of those the majority of 4.1m purchased Street Fighter II Turbo and Street Fighter II’ Special Champion Edition (same as Turbo functionally) on Mega Drive sold 1.65m [1]. No sales figures for PC Engine are available, but the Super Nintendo sales were already admittedly high.
Biggest arcade game of all time is Pac-Man (400k) followed closely by Space Invaders (360k) [2].
According to Capcom, Resident Evil (34.5m) and Mega Man (28m) are bigger than Street Fighter (25m) in lifetime sales [3] and Resident Evil 5 (7.1m) and Resident Evil 6 (6.6m) outsell any one version of Street Fighter II [1]. I would also imagine the 12 different versions of Resident Evil 4 combined would outsell every Street Fighter II version combined as well, but you are welcome to contend it if you can gather all the verified sales figures for all version of both titles.
16-bit games that outsold Street Fighter II include Super Mario World (20.6m)[4], Sonic The Hedgehog (15m)[5], and Donkey Kong Country (9m)[6].
I’ve seen my share of Double Dragon garbage too and it is considered relatively niche in comparison. Also, thinking back to my childhood (part of which I spent in the States), I remember Mortal Kombat, Spider-Man, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and Transformers merchandising everywhere with barely even a shelf’s worth dedicated to the World Warriors.
I never argued that Street Fighter was not popular, simply that it was not revolutionary (i.e. constituting or bringing about a major or fundamental change).

[1] http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/finance/million.html
[2] http://www.usgamer.net/articles/top-10-biggest-grossing-arcade-games-of-all-time
[3] http://www.ign.com/articles/2008/05/23/capcom-releases-lifetime-sales-numbers
[4] http://gamingtrend.com/2013/12/14/super-mario-3d-world-wii-u-trending-poorest-selling-mario-game-date-historical-look-mario-sales-figures/
[5] http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2015/02/12/sega-reveals-sonic-boom-is-the-worst-selling-sonic-game-ever/#28e519704867
[6] Kent, Steven L. (2001). The Ultimate History of Video Games: The Story Behind the Craze that Touched our Lives and Changed the World. Roseville, California: Prima Publishing. pp. 496–497.[/details]

Best aging NeoGeo titles in my opinion are: [details=Spoiler]
Breakers Revenge

Fatal Fury: Real Bout Special

King of Fighters '96

King of Fighters 2000

Metal Slug 1-3

http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/metalslug/metalslug3-8.png

Samurai Shodown IV

Sengoku 3

Shock Troopers

http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/shocktroopers/Shock%20Troopers-29.png

The Last Blade

The Super Spy

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