UMvC3 OTT: Welcome to 2013!

Theautophobia · 2013-01-03T10:55:33.000Z

Tager has never had a dash, and sledge isn’t exactly the best approach tool because of its recovery on whiff. It goes through projectiles, but one of the biggest reasons to why he’s so free to zoners is because his approach options aside from walking have bad recovery and are stupid easy to whiff punish. Characters with big ass pokes like Hakumen also give him trouble.

take away dash in the sense that i’d expect a grappler to have a dash albeit slower and covers like no distance, i fully understand he hasn’t had one in any blaz blue game.

don’t characters with big ass pokes like hakumen give everyone trouble? (mainly me, because niggas hate being poked and shit)

when you put it like that every character has a glaring issue.

Grublet · 2013-01-03T10:57:40.000Z

XIII doesn’t need to be 98, but it definitley needs to be alot less stupid. XIII with buffed normals, nerfed EX attacks, and no HD mode Still have drive cancels would be so good.

I agree 13 doesn’t need to be 98, I said that at the end of the part you quoted. I think 13 is still a solid game though, but I agree with you said. That KOF 13 would be pretty awesome. I kind of like Laban’s way of thinking about it. Get rid of HD, but adding another drive cancel bar would be cool.

Kaww · 2013-01-03T10:59:24.000Z

I’m not sure wether to be creeped out or impressed.

Man I’d want to see her backtalk to one of her teachers, shit would be a blowup

Leon63 · 2013-01-03T10:59:48.000Z

Tager has never had a dash, and sledge isn’t exactly the best approach tool because of its recovery on whiff. It goes through projectiles, but one of the biggest reasons to why he’s so free to zoners is because his approach options aside from walking have bad recovery and are stupid easy to whiff punish. Characters with big ass pokes like Hakumen also give him trouble.

Nitro, that Avatar is really cute.

Kaiten92 · 2013-01-03T10:59:56.000Z

DP anti air was always situational, DPing a hop is pretty scrubby and stupid because older KOFs had real normals, DPs and such were still good for regular jumps and other situations. You’re coming off as not knowing much about alot of the older KOFs.

Wouldn’t DPing a hop be more advanced? I mean, hops are pretty fast and low to the ground (I think) so reacting with 623+ATK seems harder than just pressing ATK. Also not sure how well you can convert off AA normals but if you couldnt, wouldnt a DP do more damage than a normal?

Sharakonta · 2013-01-03T11:01:01.000Z

if sledge is what i think it is, i thought it was so fascinating they got rid of his dash but gave him so many other methods of approach. a slow but vulnerable dash would have been much more of a downside then a physical move that can in theory be rapid cancelled to safety (this is me theorizing, i’ve like no experience with the game, keep in mind)

i totally wouldn’t mind using him at some point.

Ya Sledge his where he Dashes Forward smacking you with his arm, then the follow up Hammer he smacks you in the head with both hands from Above
And ya as Nitro said he never had a Dash except in Unlimited

Grublet · 2013-01-03T11:03:15.000Z

Wouldn’t DPing a hop be more advanced? I mean, hops are pretty fast and low to the ground (I think) so reacting with 623+ATK seems harder than just pressing ATK. Also not sure how well you can convert off AA normals but if you couldnt, wouldnt a DP do more damage than a normal?

I see where you’re coming from, but the reason most people don’t DP a hop is because there is higher chance that you will eat their jump in for trying to react with a DP instead of a normal. It’s not unheard of though in the older KOFs, it’s just a rarer occurrence.

the7k · 2013-01-03T11:04:20.000Z

Wouldn’t DPing a hop be more advanced? I mean, hops are pretty fast and low to the ground (I think) so reacting with 623+ATK seems harder than just pressing ATK. Also not sure how well you can convert off AA normals but if you couldnt, wouldnt a DP do more damage than a normal?

Your opponent would land before you could react with a DP if they empty hopped, then it’s punishment time. Or maybe that was a hyper hop, I dunno.

It’d be a good option on prediction… but if you can predict their hops, then you’ve already won.

Nooneyouknow · 2013-01-03T11:04:25.000Z

Posting from page 11

So, I had 3 PCs to set up today. 8 hours shift, minus two for a management meeting, and 1 of them is good to go. I am working with Pentium 4 era Celerons and 1 gig of RAM *at most *with these boxes. At the rate this is going it would have been cheaper for my boss to buy new shit than pay me to make old shit go.

I feel the same way. I lay 100% of the blame on HSD. Basic combo in Marvel = exercise in frustration, TOD in KOF13 = baby’s day out. Has to be HSD.

Obviously I have shitty execution, but I wouldn’t be a fraud if I blamed myself.

Despite what people want to say about X-factor and Team Air combos, timer based hit stun decay is the single largest design flaw the game has. It’s why you get so long to hit confirm single hits as opposed to other games, it’s why we have to have a TAC mechanic that ignores the system in the first place. I dislike hit stun pro-ration as well, but at least that’s actually based on what moves are used in the combo.

Nitro_Noodlez · 2013-01-03T11:04:56.000Z

don’t characters with big ass pokes like hakumen give everyone trouble? (mainly me, because niggas hate being poked and shit)

He does give everyone a lot of trouble with his pokes, but not as much as a character like Tager. For example if Hakumen whiffs a 4C and I’m using Tsubaki I can IAD, 236D or dash up in his face and possibly punish him. If I’m Tager I don’t have that luxury unfortunately and he gets to continue sitting there building meter while waving his big ass stick in my face from 50 feet away.

Nitro, that Avatar is really cute.

Thanks. =)

Dshiznetz · 2013-01-03T11:06:52.000Z

anybody streaming?

Yazumatto · 2013-01-03T11:08:19.000Z

You don’t like Japanese commentary?

Nuki commentary too strong

Oh yeah, my friend went to Japan to play 3rd Strike 24/7 last fall (okay, he went to study abroad). He beat Nuki’s Chun on stream and now he never lets me hear the end of it.

http://www.twitch.tv/game_versus/b/345703133 (@4:31:50)

Of course, he gets P’d on in the Makoto mirror right afterwards but I can’t blame him. He just killed a god with his bare hands.

makoto dabess

the7k · 2013-01-03T11:08:33.000Z

Despite what people want to say about X-factor and Team Air combos, timer based hit stun decay is the single largest design flaw the game has. It’s why you get so long to hit confirm single hits as opposed to other games, it’s why we have to have a TAC mechanic that ignores the system in the first place. I dislike hit stun pro-ration as well, but at least that’s actually based on what moves are used in the combo.

Yeah… I know most of my post came off as a joke, but I really hate HSD. It’s the worst shit in the world. My hatred for it can’t be quantified with words alone.

phantasy · 2013-01-03T11:08:59.000Z

i could stream training mode ;;

ThatJollyOlBastid · 2013-01-03T11:11:44.000Z

Speaking of 3s.

Coop Cup in 2 weeks.

Kaiten92 · 2013-01-03T11:13:13.000Z

I see where you’re coming from, but the reason most people don’t DP a hop is because There is higher chance that you will eat their jump in for trying to react with a DP instead of a normal. It’s not unheard of though in the older KOFs, it’s just a rarer occurrence.

So a hop -> jump/hop normal would usually beat a DP because of the DP’s startup time Im guessing?

Your opponent would land before you could react with a DP if they empty hopped, then it’s punishment time.

I thought he was saying like, if you DPed a hop (and it connected/worked) you were a noob for using that instead of a normal

the7k · 2013-01-03T11:13:21.000Z

I feel like streaming… but I don’t feel like playing anything.

Theautophobia · 2013-01-03T11:14:06.000Z

I feel like streaming… but I don’t feel like playing anything.

strip them clothes off and stream bby

Dshiznetz · 2013-01-03T11:14:20.000Z

stream toyko jungle

Grublet · 2013-01-03T11:16:15.000Z

So a hop -> jump/hop normal would usually beat a DP because of the DP’s startup time Im guessing?

The DP won’t get stuffed, but you have to consider how quick hops are in KOF. Buffering a motion with no back inputs leaves you vulnerable, so even though you may get more damage, you might also screw up and eat the jump-in. Not only that, they could hop intentionally short and make your DP whiff.