Being a person that has mained vega since vanilla, I can’t help but to be excited. HOWEVER, I do have my concerns. Mainly tier whores. Call me crazy but I personally believe Vega was OVER buffed.
I would’ve been happy enough with the few buffs confirmed before the mechanic change announcements. Faster Ultra and increased jab pressure were two buffs many of us were eager to incorporate into our gameplay. Once news of the delayed wake up mechanic broke, the need for a reliable anti-air was negated.
IMO, the delayed wake-up mechanic greatly transformed the vortex heavy game that is ssf4. Making it less of an auto-pilot, option select focused game. Vega players imo, work hard to earn every single victory. We rely on a combination of good footsies, mix ups, and reads to pull off victories. There is no auto-pilot vortex button for Vega.
Not wanting to get side tracked, my original point is that Vega already became formidable with the new game changing mechanics in place. Receiving almost all of the buffs players have been asking for+new mechanics= top tier/over powered. Dare I even think it, if Vega receives the mentioned buffs, once Ultra drops, we may see players cry for him to be nerfed. GASP!!!
Along with the what I mention above the following will as happen:
Band wagon jumpers and fraudulent Vegas will be ALL OVER the game.
Vega will now inherit all the negative stigmas associated with high tier characters, negating the hard work long time Vega players have put in perfecting him.
More Vega mirror matches (I personally can’t stand Vega mirror matches). A mirror match vs 2 skilled Vega players become a boring poke fest, with the most patient of the two coming out the victor.
This is sweet news for Vega players all around, but maybe it’s a little too sweet. Sweet enough to become bitter.
I definitely agree some of this stuff doesn’t make sense. What’s a normal RCF? Does that mean jab or fierce? Why would strong be 0 on block but whatever normal is be -8 on hit? If strong is 0, then is jab + and fierce -? The CH doesn’t make sense either. Why is point blank + but anything other than point blank -? What good is CH at point blank, it’s too slow to start up and everyone will just low short you as you try to do it. Or just focus.
Wasn’t there a US test location at Super Arcade recently? I could have sworn there was. If not already passed, then there is one soon since I’ve seen Super Arcade advertising USF4 Test Location poster on facebook.
For it to make any sense the active frmaes have to be longer not shorter so that you can hit a deep meaty and come out of the move with an advantage. Or they intruduced a two hit system like with clHK. If the first move doesn’t connect the second move with the worse framedata is executed. I fear it is the latter…
This friday the location tests in the US start.
That right there was the dictionary worth definition of the term “first world problem”. Man if from now one every match I play will be a mirror match so be it. I will be better than most of them and I will enjoy it!
Why label my comment as, “scrubby stuff”. I’m not a professional ssf4 player but I’m no scrub.
Anyway, I see your point. It definitely is “first world problems” but I kinda enjoyed the underdog role mid-tier characters play. I was only expressing my opinion. I really can’t stand a Vega mirror match though.
But the comment you made implied that. This not a bad thing per se. Character loyality is scrub. Embracing the underdog image is scrub. Hell not willing do do anything within the system rules to ensure your win is scrub
That includes not switching to top tier. I am very well a scrub myself in this definition as I will never play another charcter in SFIV. I enjoy losing with vega much more than winning with somebody else (Which I couldn’t do anyway
Having fear that because of too much non confirmed buffs you would become less “special” for your unique choice to main Claw is scrub and the only thing I disagree with.
Not “special”. I made sure to include what it takes to win with Vega. Good footsies, proper reads, and a decent mix up game (kara throw). I find that top tier characters at the current state ssf4 is in rely less on the the three things I mentioned and more on option selects, set ups, and vortex’s. I can play other characters, I have a pocket akuma for bad match ups. However, the joy I find playing with Vega can not be matched using akuma because his play style is more vortex heavy. I get bored!
Anyway, I spent too much time replying to something trivial. I appreciate your explanation of your definition of scrub.
Stop buying into top players try hard attitudes. Most are idiot savants at best (and that’s being generous). Play who you want and care about what makes you happy.
If you are bothered by so many others playing your chars, then switch. It’s even ok to complain about the over buffs, (though I tend personally to try and keep it to complaints in the realm of overall game balance). Top, “non-scrubby” players complain about the SAME shit 400 times as much.
Still to this day in the vega srk forum its one of the most retarded things i keep seeing people say, I believe people gettting annoyed and saying “oohh noooes, if vega gets buffed too much too many people will start playing with online and in tournies” or so called bandwagoners. So the fuck what (-_-) Finally and hopefully we’ll be able to see more claw players in tournies and someone might actually win a major withhim. Its stupid to me that some people are annoyed by those positive changes.
These low tier hero posts are soo stupid. your post i completely about you not wanting people to play your character. vega has been good in other games. cvs daigo played vega where were you.
Hes a footies character he’ll never be autopilot you say hes not autopilot but the mechanics will make him autopilot make up your mind?
If footies are auto pilot you dont know what footies are. This is why bangwagons as you say wont win, reversal isnt gonna change much 80% of the cast has them they dont win free and what happens when they dont have meter.
These changes arent gonna make vega beat any other characters that beat him now if anything they’ll be even. He need a fireball/gun/high health/higher damage we still have to guess way more than alot of characters. "high tier stigma"this sounds so stupid.
Vega mirror match boring poke fest? Uh i thought you liked footies. always seems to come down to whose better at footies to me and who can bully the other character better
There’s definitely going to be a little sting if Vega players start popping up everywhere after we’ve been grinding for years, but at the same time, I’m excited, because improving the character’s options allows me to progress as a player. It’s gotten kind of dull playing Claw pretty much the same way for years, and I’m certainly very tried of being omega free on wake-up.
Also, if more and better players pick up the character, new tech and tricks will be discovered. I’m by no means amazing, so I’m all for seeing great players take the character to new heights.
Yawn, whining starting before even the changes even settle. This seems familiar.
Remember Dudley? People whining left and around about him, then they suddenly shut up after release.
What about Vega in SFxT? OMG best anti-air super, pokes that lead into everything!!!11 Then, he was hardly picked.
Give the changes a chance to settle before crying OP or whatnot. I highly doubt he’ll be top 5 even with these changes, and even if he was, I’d rather have a strong Vega than this autopilot Akuma BS.
You are forgetting that other characters are getting massive buffs. Look at Juri and the amount of shit she got–yet the people there STILL say it’s not enough.
Comboable super is NOT op because what Vega has 4 stocks of EX sitting around? Ryu’s will still be superior in almost every way.
Ultra 1 having brief invincibility -> Congrats, now you have a working Ultra 1 that everyone has had since Vanilla. Vega lands so little Ultras in a fight because his Ultras are subpar in setup and damage compared to many others.
cr.lp to +5 on hit is probably the most important change because now we can decently combo into something without worrying about opponent mashing.
Anyone that says “+4 is enough, go learn your links” needs to stfu, because NO ONE (not even high-level Vegas) can land that 1-frame link consistently in a match. Ahem, a 1-frame UNPLINKABLE link to boot. I’ve seen lots of games lost because people don’t land the link, get reversal dp-fadc’d/Ultra’d and lose the match like that.
It’s why people don’t always combo into Ryu’s/Ken’s cr.hp and opt for the safer set-ups; you miss the link you can potentially lose the round. The thing is, they don’t need to combo into cr.hp all the time because they actually have safe, easy hit-confirmable setups unlike Vega.
If Sako can miss his E. Ryu links then we don’t need elitists telling us we need to go back to training mode. If they were so perfect they would be pulling off the most perfect anti-airs and pokes, yet I see them getting bodied by jump-ins and jab pressure all day.
I view Vega’s chances as a normalization, a chance to finally compete.
How is giving him some decent tools "overbuffing?"
You can rep Vega in your local tourneys all you want, but he’s not going to win anything major in his current state. Not when you can lose rounds off one single mistake, whereas the opponent needs to make multiple ones.
You can call me salty, but holy shit this low-tier elitism.
I admit, my position is a bit biased. I don’t like Vega mirror matches therefore the possibility of an increased vega count sucks to me. I completely stand by what I said earlier regarding vega mirror matches being a poke fest. It’s boring an not exciting at high level play. Hell its boring even at mid level play.
Currently, I enjoy the variety of match ups v2012 has to offer. What I don’t want is a repeat of ssf4 pre v2012. The version we’ve all come to know as yun/yang fighter.
What I truly want is balance. I have some reservations regarding the current changes made to Vega in combination with the system mechanic changes. I could be wrong about this but imo, Vega seems a bit OP on paper. Until I get to try the game out myself or we get more feed back I will stand by my opinion.
I apologize if my post came across as me having an “elite” mentality. Its just that the thought of having to deal with the possibility of more Vega mirror matches really irks me. Again, its because I absolutely hate the mirror match. Plus, I’m still scarred from the cluster f**k of a mess vanilla ssf4 was. Having to deal with so many BAD yun and yang players simply because they were OP…ugggh…still gives me nightmares.
