Where would Magneto stand in tier? I honestly think he’s Top 5, but obviously no one’s figured out all his dirty shit yet when playing with Gravity.
My reason for believing he should be Top 5 is simply because he’s a “complete character”. He can put you in a reset which COULD lead into a 100% depending on the match and his mix up game is ridiculous simply because if he has nova, drones, or missiles, then you might as well say good bye to that character because you can’t block any of that (unless you’re MarlinePie).
Another reason is that his cross up game has gotten way better now in Ultimate. Meaning that if you jump in on him ( which would be stupid if you did, or if you’re doom you could be a pussy and try to lame it out, but a smart magneto would have drones/missiles and use them in conjunction with Gravitation into dead) you would have unintentionally sacrificed that character.
Wesker? Not a problem. Use his shield with missiles to stop the gunshot bs or if he’s trying to go in just to get the glasses off, then you can also just use Gram assist xx IAD j.
into a reset 100%.
Phoenix? On a snap in, at the worst the Phoenix could just fireball fly fireball rawtag right? Wrong. Call drones/missiles/etc then TK Disruptor to eat their incoming assist while you get a free mix up on the floating Phoenix player (if that phoenix is smart it’ll do some teleport shenanigans, but apparently no one is smart enough to get out while magneto is doing all kinds of non sense).
I know a lot of you will disagree, but think of it this way: What would you do in the situation of Hidden Missiles/Drones and Repulsion/Attraction? How exactly would you deal with that mix up without losing a character?
You keep Thor out of the air, you make him completely useless. You keep Dante out of the air, you make him comple… Oh wait, that’s impossible.
You can’t really get close to Thor thanks to his command grabs and ToD on grabs in general, so instead, all you can really do is hope to catch him on start up lag or a whiff. Even then, that’s not too easy when he has Doom or Iron Man in the back making him safe or those lovely armored, high durability specials.
My guess for why no one plays him tournament wise is because he’s boring. Same with Skrull if you ask me.
El_Maiz
11543
Balloon Bomb gets blown up by everything, but the explosion has one medium point. (IIRC. I don’t use it much against other projectiles)
They did such a good job with Ultimate that it feels like almost like Ult top 20 = vanilla top 7. Magneto’s REALLY good and very well may be top 5. But this game feels like it has 10-15 top 5 characters (it’s the new math). And it’s driving us tier-addicts insane.
Seriously, so many characters have amazing bullshit weapons without any of them being oppresively out of hand, it’s really great. Never in my dreams did I think I’d ever play Viewtiful Joe, but now that I do, he feels totally broken… and he’s prob not even in the top 20. People like to bitch about Capcom, but honestly I say to them: WELL DONE, SIRS.
On a side note: I’ve been running the Doom xxx Sent trap from day 1, and the came up with the Morri - missiles trap almost a month ago now. Man it felt good seeing ChrisG crush a grand finals with the latter, and DiosX crush one with the former on the same fucking night! Talk about having one’s finger on the pulse! 
Dime
11545
you wouldnt happen to have a link to those chris g matches would you? google isnt working for me.
-dime
I do, but I don’t want anyone else seeing them. JK twitch.tv/8wayrun/b/303824549 check the 1hr, 22 min point
I’m going to look like such a biter now, and I’ve been doing this (albiet not nearly as beautifully) for weeks. Though Akuma in the back is a really nice touch, maybe I will bite that part lol
CTG
11547
ChrisG - Morrigan/Doom/Akuma
http://www.twitch.tv/8wayrun/b/303824549 @ 1hr 22mins
No pun intended but good on Marlin for not raging in that situation.
CTG
11548
I mentioned in the commentary thread that Akuma in the back is the backbreaker - as if Morrigan/Doom wasn’t enough.
still think dorm is top 5 material
Dime
11550
ooooh… im definitely biting that shit. i knew morri was good but i never thought that she could so effective with missiles. nice my mind is spinning now. i LOVE spammer teams. akuma wont do for me at the back. im thinking maybe arthur with firebottle… hmmmm. looks like the only team ive seen that could make really good use of firebottle since doom and morri control the airspace so well.
i wonder how teleporters do against chris’s team. it really looks like a counter to MP’s team so we may just be seeing the very best version of chris team there. it may not work so well against other types of teams.
im also wondering why MP wasnt spamming the seismos a bit more…
-dime
cjaycr
11551
Akuma works well there because Tatsu is the closest thing to a gtfo assist that team has. Missles are slow so having tatsu gives you more options/space to setup astral vision shenanigans.
On another note, that casual friday Morrigan costume is definitely top 5.
CTG
11552
Not to mention if it came down to it, he’d likely have a ton of meter to close out the match.
Dime
11553
yeah, i get that. and akuma is a great pick there for those reasons. however morri probably doesnt need a an awesome gtfo in the first place as she has an uppercut move that will outprioritize any normal and is completely safe on block cause she can flight cancel it then then call an assist if need be or simply let missiles go to work if she called them before uppercut.
cap would be a ridiculous counterpick to that team though as are beam supers and maybe teleports. looking from the outside in it looks like a team that chris knew would specifically give MP’s team a hard time. i dont know how well a specialist in that team would do cause of the aforementioned easy mode counters. one shield skills/beam super and that team is bogo’d for free. still looks super fun to me. 
-dime
I’ve been doing it as Joe Morrigan Doom, and still really like that config. But it’s hard to justify Joe being better in front than Akuma in back. It’s just different. But even if it’s not Joe, another good zoner (Hawkeye? Taskmaster? Akuma??) in front, backed with missiles and Morri meter gain works nicely. And then you can DHC into astral and guarantee getting to start her bullshit.
CTG
11555
You could make the case that Joe is a much smaller target and has a ton more health than Akuma. I didn’t realize the guy was at a million until a few weeks ago. I don’t play Joe at all, but would putting him at anchor with the bomb assist do any good? The only drawback I can think of is the potential to allow the opponent to knock it back into you for an opening.
Maybe we not watching the same streams but EVERYTIME i see skrull pull of his inferno hyper everyone is yellin that shit and its mad hype…i dont know maybe we have the wrong skrull here
Yea the fact that Tatsu assist STILL has so much “priority” that you can literally mash it out and it will beat 90% of normals just goes to show how stupid capcom is.
cjaycr
11558
I don’t know man, I just think Shadow Blade gives too many fucks. Tatsu always has an account balance of 0 fucks.
CTG
11559
I recall a Tatsu beating my Hyper Charging Star. 
Given HCS doesn’t have nearly the priority it used to have in MvC2, but you’d think it could beat a Tatsu.
notsoy
11560
It’s not like Mega Crash couldn’t be tweaked, guys. If it hit both characters with a hard knockdown state and/or put them full-screen distance from each other, we wouldn’t have the “combo off of burst” problem. With how comparatively sparse meter is in this game anyway, I doubt anyone would have meter-neutral combos off of a burst, especially if assists were also disabled for that post-burst time frame.
Or maybe they just let you activate X-Factor during hit-stun, and finally fucking nerf its damage boost like they should have 7 months ago.
