You asked about how we revived XvSF? Well, I moved to Socal in 2003 from Arizona. In AZ we had a handful fo about 12 players who played XvSF. So when I came to CA, that was probably my best game.
I played with a lot of the SoCal Family Fun regulars. In 2003 we had an impromptu team turney at EVO at Calpoly. About 12 people entered. XvSF was definately a cult hit and not a lot of new blood. By 2005, a lot of the original SoCal regulars had vanished.
I started playing A LOT with Family Fun Marvel Player MegamanDS. FFA players would see his crazy Storm, Mags and Cyke and starting watching XvSF when Marvel was busy. Slowly a few people started picking up the game, and by 2005/2006 we averaged about 25-30 entrants at EVO. This year the bubble burst, a lot of the new SoCal payers got tired of playing the same people, the imbalance of infinites, and some just generally outgrew the arcade.
It was an amazing revival. It even lead to a handful of Kaillera and Canadian players having turneys for the game, and players in Australia having turneys.
I think the best way to do something like this with Marvel1, would be too post in Fighting Game discussion, see how many people are interested and announce having some gatherings or turneys. Gatherings are still a great way to gauge intereset before running a turney.
Marvel1 is definately ready for a revival. There’s some exciting OG players (Valle, Viscant), youngbloods (let’s say Justin and Sabin) and Kaillera heads. For any game, people need a place to play. So another thing would be seeing if the few remaining arcades have this game. I know CTF does. FFA doesn’t.
If I was a little more into the SF scene, I would definately run Marvel1 turneys. But after the big XvSF boom we had, I’m done.
Like I said, good luck with this. Keep your list small. Have 5-7 games. Games that most likely, the people that play one, will play the other (ie CPS2 games like MvC1 and Vampire Savior and Jojo). I know those games are drastically different but for the sake of this issue, they’re kind of the same family.
Ultimately, games need a fan base. And in order for those games you listed, some which are relatively small and obscure, you have to think about how people can play these games.
Also, the EX games seem to have a few diehards too.
So what you were able to do was basically play, while people watched on got interested? That’s great, what I want to do is have people play in the tournaments, while they are able to network with people they know and make them get interested in the games that I have tournaments in. I know the list is a little long, but I believe I can finish all those games with enough time to spare for other special games; but if I don’t finish them on time, then I might have to cut some of the games out of the line-up (hopefully it won’t come to that.) I don’t really expect the obscure games to draw that many players, but it will make for faster run tournaments (and maybe later, draw more people, due to the attention the game is receiving.)
About MvC1: I will try to find a time slot to run this game (probably after MvC2 has ended, or if MvC2 runs too deep into the night to be able to hold tournaments after the game, then I’ll do the MvC1 tournament just before the MvC2 tournament.) I also want to slot in SFA3 somewhere, that game really needs the hype it deserves. Sad to hear about the XvSF situation, I remembered about a couple years ago, where every week, there was a tournament result, and it’s been a while since I have seen one… maybe Dark Geese’s plan with that game can be made into reality.
Does anyone know the consensus on these games? Can you explain them in detail if you do?
Dead or Alive 3.1
Dragon Ball Z Hyper Dimension
Dragon Ball Z: Budokai 3
Naruto Gekitou Ninja Taisen 4
One Must Fall: 2097
Primal Rage
Monster is clearly the most underrated game. Look on the last page, there is already arguments about it. Just a few more people and some death threats, and it can be mvc2 all over again. HYPE.
P.S. I’m better than everyone at Monster (except that I haven’t played since about…April). The end.
if you’re talking about DOA3.1 it would be best to get ahold of Tom Brady, Perfect Legend, Swoozie, Dahlsim or Sorwah of DOACentral. Those are the names who will get you the numbers and the hype you would need to get entrants in that game. ( actually it wouldn’t hurt to get ahold of PMS Clan either, having girls at your fighting game event seems to always spark some form of controversy for some reason or other )
It’s kind of funny to note, but I was going over the numbers the other day and just underneath 500,000 people play DOA4 online EVERY DAY. of course this will obviously pale in comparison to the number of people you could get interested in an event that had an older DOA game, but yeah, 3.1 was probably the best revision ( in 3.2 i think Bass had really screwed up infinites with 6PK and ground tech infinites on a lot of stages between walls - the cave one I remember Sorwah showing me at Otakon once )
Naruto GNT4 is pretty balanced for what it is and definitely moreso than EX for Wii, a lot of people tend to ban CS2 Sasuke and OTK Naruto but for tourney specifics you’d have to ask The Will / Willvolution staff since they’ve been running the game for years now. I think HeartNana from this site plays it as well, maybe he can elaborate?
Primal Rage: The game was very fun and was far from broken. Though it lacked many characters it had a wide variety of good techniques. It featured overheads for every character to combat turtling. The game has fun and interesting combos (featuring cancels, juggles, air combos, and more) and no infinites. The characters were somewhat balanced and it definitely didn’t lead to a one character show. The game does not slow down at higher levels (from what I have seen and understand of the engine). It definitely deserves to be on this list.
The problem with DOA, from what I understand, is that the players that play online don’t even attempt to play offline. I believe Perfect Legend posts here, so I can tell him about the situation (although I think he hates the game and prefers DOA4.) Do you have any idea on how the offline DOA scene has improved? It was pretty abysmal at EVO World 2006, where 64 people showed up and 25-50% were first time players, playing for the money.
I added Primal Rage and Dead or Alive 3.1 to games that I’m greatly considering. Expect Primal Rage to be on the list, maybe tomorrow.
You know what, I am sick and tired of you talking about me not supporting monster. I have done EVERYTHING for monster. I brought players in, I talked to the japanese players, I wrote blog entrys, I talked to the creator and got information, I annoyed bellreisa to allow me to make a wiki for monster and i did the majority of the wiki work when it was made(contributions were made by alot of others however) If not for xenozip and myself. There wouldnt be a game worth considering because we put forth the same effort as bellreisa did with iamp. So dont talk to me about coming out and supporting the scene when that is ALL I DO when it comes to monster.
What did you ever do chibita? Who did you ever bring in? Who did you ever get to come to the room and play monster? When did YOU support the monster scene. All i even remember you doing was showing up for 2 weeks or so and playing it and then leaving. Because your sorry ass couldnt play the game properly, You didnt take the time to learn it and constantly gave up on it. I know i get pissed off with iamp but i also take the time to step my shit up. You have done nothing of the sort for monster. I cant remember one single time where you brought someone in to the chat room. I dont remember you bringing in any combos, Any informations and any replays of people playing monster. I dont remember you doing anything for the game other then bitching and complaining. So you tell me, Who isnt supporting the scene here. Me or you? I think we know the answer. Step your shit up.
The only banned characters are the dog, and there’s some contraversy about the puppet, but i think he was made legal recently since Sakon/Ukon is legal and a way better character anyways. Balanced tho? Nah, its about marvel level if marvel was 1v1. OTK, Kisame, Itachi, Temari = Storm, Sent, Cable, Mags pretty much while Tayuya, Sakura, Anko = Dan, Servbot, and Roll
Yeah, GNT4 kinda has its own site and community and stuff, so its not that i’m not advocating tournies for it, but there’s actually a decent amount of tournies going on for it already. If the league is supposed to be able games that DONT get played in tournies, then GNT4 shouldn’t be on there. Gamejunkie in Ohio has majors for it every 4 months plus the one major in florida a year in addition to smaller tournies that each respective community runs. Its died down a bit recently, but its a somewhat niche crowd, so i doubt it’d be worth it for some of them to go to NEC for a side GNT4 tourney, you know what i mean?
By the same token, MB and Arcana shouldn’t be on that list either…
Random question. When did you start playing Monster? Because I don’t remember you from back when I played.
EDIT: Oh. Ok. You did a name change for some reason. I was about to go off on you for taking credit for other people’s work. But, I guess I can’t now. Ghey.
in no way shape form or fashion have I EVER said you did NOT support Monster
if anything you were the main reason people started playing. you were the one talking to ShoK PERSONALLY.
see, the problem we have here is a failure to communicate. how in the FUCK is me saying that you should come to an OFFLINE TOURNAMENT the same thing as saying you DON’T support the game?
seriously, WHERE are you getting that notion from? help me fucking understand.
you know for a fact i was there for more than two weeks. i ran brackets for two of the ranbats, i got people offline to try the game, i went to numerous anime conventions with it, i had burningfist / tobemorecrazy posting the vids EVERYWHERE and showing all the local heads the vids, i gave shouts out on the blog- hell, i spent an hour debating with gwyrgyn blood saying he should try the game out when he was in fact the main detractor for a while ( he still doesn’t like it, but i’ve accepted that ). YOU, for one, were saying you didn’t like him because all the area guilty gear players “followed him like they didn’t have a mind of your own”, i believe was the terminology you used. what kind of shit is that dude? i know you tried to get Dustloop heads into it, but i talked to them in PERSON about it.
but i’m not saying this because i’m trying to compare track records because that’s unfair, and i believe you’re being unfair by trying to bring that up. i’m not trying to have some kind of spotty ass argument here, and i don’t know why you are.
what i’m essentially saying is, all you have to do is show up and you basically win for free.
look man: i don’t know where you get off attacking me like this, i’ve tried to use newchallenger.net to push Monster, I WAS THE FIRST ONE TO POST THE OFFICIAL 8105graphics trailer on Youtube, i’ve gotten people to see it who might not have otherwise considered it. i contributed Siely stuff for the wiki because i honestly love playing that character, even now when you all tiered her as shit ( next to Aleksander of course ).
as far as getting the crowd to accept this game: fact of the matter is, you’re trying to push a product onto an audience. and it doesn’t matter what product you’re talking about, if you don’t have a damn good reason for someone to try it, they’re not gonna be interested. have you talked to ShoK about pushing the product for XBL? PSN? console?
nobody is saying you don’t support Monster, come off that shit because wherever you’re getting that idea that’s bullshit, people understand you’ve sacrificed time you didn’t have to for that game. if you want recognition or whatever, then what i’m saying is we can all do better to push the games we wanna play in tournaments like the ones Tarkan has on that schedule, in a competitive setting. that’s all. please, let’s not shit up this thread with random ass hate, because that’s the last fucking thing we need in here.
and as for you spootz, and you xenozip, both you motherfuckers, if you really think you’re on aya’s level because i’m sure he’s got shit he has NOT shown you, then please set aside time for NEC.
Look familiar chibita? I think it does. Its funny cause i did what you couldnt do offline, While i was online, I got people interested in the game and playing it. You sat and debated with ONE person about getting into the game and ultimately he didnt do that. All nonsense asside. Ive taken enough time to do ALOT of shit for this game. As for people being on my level. Xenozip and Fooligar were the only 2 people who came close to me. Rogueyoshi did too but he stopped playing due to personal issues. Rogue is still a heavy supporter of monster and will be at NEC for it. Spootz was ok but had delga carrying him for the longest time. When delga got owned. Spootz ditched him to play maya. And then that failed and he stopped altogether.(Don’t get mad at me, Thats how shit happened) Everyone is waiting for the new patch, Thats understandable. As for what i have talked to shok about. That is none of your business. Ive talked to Shok about so much and if you were sooooo into monster as you say you are. You would be in IRC ALOT more because Shok actually JOINED our IRC channel for a few days. The main heads who support monster are always in IRC and where are you chibita? hmmm…
Do not give me that “personal issue shit” because we all have personal issues. Seperating video games from personal issues is something everyone does. Unless somehow video games are a part of your cost of living.
What i am telling you is. If you want to support the scene. ACTUALLY SUPPORT IT. Dont just talk about shit. Make shit happen. I dont have any beef with you, I just have a problem with how you decided to come on here and make yourself look like a complete moron making stupid statements about shit you know nothing about.
your “one person” thing obviously means you didn’t even read my previous post about what i’ve done to support the game.
that whole ShoK thing being none of my business obviously means you are unwilling to bridge the gap between what goes in in IRC and places like here and Dustloop, which would only build interest in the game. and in all honesty most people, myself included, don’t have time to idle in IRC. i help run newchallenger, that’s where the fuck i am, if you haven’t noticed. there’s over two thousand vids in the youtube group alone, and over ten thousand vids, for over a hundred fighting games sitting in the vBulletin part of the site. that’s a fuckload of content for fighting games, if you think about it. and i have almost NO HELP sorting and organizing this shit because evidently people don’t care about fighters anymore. Monster is ONE GAME. i love the game, but i love a lot of games and all of them can’t command my attention at once, it just isn’t realistic. so that’s why i’m not in IRC. part of it anyway.
if i’m a “complete moron” when it comes to Monster, it’s only because I don’t have the time anymore for this “online fighting game scene” ( lol ). Monster has excellent netplay, true. but i wasn’t raised on netplay. i went to Gametime when it was still around. i was raised in the arcade, dude. an old Timeout in Georgia is where i learned what comp was about in SF2CE, MK2, Samsho…i’ve been playing fighters for years, so don’t sit here and tell me i don’t know the basics, or i don’t know shit, son i’ve been here.
but you know what? all that shit is irrelevant when you get down to it, because you haven’t even said if you’re going or not.
which was my original point. are you, or aren’t you?
No I’m not willing to bridge the gap because of the fact that ive already explained everything. Sadly i havent been playing fighters for years. But i do know that no matter what game you play, I am probably better; And i am even willing to bet money on that. You might be older and more experienced and have played many many games in your life. But “son” i am simply better than you are. So lets play for some money if your badass. Lets throw down for real for some cash. Ill even let you pick the games. Because i know that its free money for me. I dont play in tournys and i dont play for money normally. But lets make it interesting for once. Lets play Monster for some cash.
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